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FLPanhandle

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155. I'm "close minded" to conclusions without logic

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:00 PM

May 2016

Just like I'm "close minded" to religion and I'm an atheist. I'm on a progressive board because I form my positions based on data and logic and try not to be swayed by emotions.

I would propose solutions to help all underprivileged people. It doesn't matter to someone to trying to feed their hungry children if their ancestors were slaves or millionaires. You are proposing a solution where we help only one group as the other groups are considered "unworthy" which is a typical RW attitude.

Why are you on a progressive board when you are segregating and categorizing the poor?

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Should the US provide reparations for slavery and Jim Crow? [View all] LuckyTheDog May 2016 OP

No. Why is there never any talk about reparations for Native Americans? tonyt53 May 2016 #1

I don't think reparations for African Americans excludes that. LuckyTheDog May 2016 #2

Agreed! One never excludes another! Silver_Witch May 2016 #5

OP wants to know why Native Americans are the most forgotten group in America. apnu May 2016 #131

I think advocating for one thing... LuckyTheDog May 2016 #146

I meant tony53t, not the OP of the thread. apnu May 2016 #150

This reminds me of an argument I had LuckyTheDog May 2016 #151

Wow, that guy was missing the point of BLM. apnu May 2016 #158

I agree (nt) LuckyTheDog May 2016 #159

I wouldn't say "never..." eShirl May 2016 #6

There is, wickerwoman May 2016 #57

One old white woman stands for reparations Silver_Witch May 2016 #3

How about a biracial person descended from both slaves and slaveowners? Nye Bevan May 2016 #19

I think this would be a good time to use the "one drop" doctrine. ret5hd May 2016 #52

All of them! Silver_Witch May 2016 #100

Who's going to pay for it? NYC Liberal May 2016 #46

How about those who inherited wealth from slavery? Octafish May 2016 #82

We are! Silver_Witch May 2016 #97

The article is wrong GulfCoast66 May 2016 #4

You said "there is a consensus" without providing a source for the claim. It's not... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #15

Just my opinion GulfCoast66 May 2016 #32

Gotcha. If reparations were to be awarded, what affect do you suppose that would have on the... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #37

Not a lot long term GulfCoast66 May 2016 #38

Check post #9. Sensible people are not advocating checks cut to individuals brush May 2016 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author snot May 2016 #7

Absolutely. sofa king May 2016 #8

Are all African-Americans descendants of slaves? I know one POTUS who is not. WinkyDink May 2016 #18

I am less concerned... sofa king May 2016 #34

Ever heard of the Dawes Rolls? The same kind of research could be done in this case. brush May 2016 #134

Reparations would be a bargain if we consider the stolen wages and compounding brush May 2016 #9

Oh no not this again tularetom May 2016 #10

See post #9. brush May 2016 #135

Really hard to do. TrappedInUtah May 2016 #11

No it wouldn't. Igel May 2016 #74

Poor argument. Nothing was paid to the millions who had their wages stolen brush May 2016 #137

You make good points. See post #9. There are areas of agreement brush May 2016 #136

Clarence Thomas gets a check while a desperately poor white single mother gets zip? Nye Bevan May 2016 #12

Thank you for that post. hamsterjill May 2016 #14

Yes, obviously it should be thrown out the window because Clarence would get a check. Katashi_itto May 2016 #21

Really? Your opinion of Clarence Thomas decides this for you? LuckyTheDog May 2016 #24

Reparations might take other forms aside from cash. kwassa May 2016 #25

black people get stopped by cops while white affluenza teen gets of free JI7 May 2016 #48

You don't think white people get stopped by cops? Waldorf May 2016 #54

not for being white . JI7 May 2016 #55

Love that thinking FlatBaroque May 2016 #56

That's not the only way reparations could work. wickerwoman May 2016 #59

Exactly. No one is talking about cutting checks to individuals. brush May 2016 #141

Figures. That's like Hillary's argument against free public universities RufusTFirefly May 2016 #105

Another Hillary Supports Weighs in. Silver_Witch May 2016 #108

Who is talking about checks being cut to individuals? See post #9. brush May 2016 #139

No. Throd May 2016 #13

Of course not. FLPanhandle May 2016 #16

My mother's side of the family was in Nagasaki. However, that does not preclude my being Katashi_itto May 2016 #20

Be aware of past injustices FLPanhandle May 2016 #23

Your analysis is flawed. kwassa May 2016 #27

I'm not trying to compare level of injustice FLPanhandle May 2016 #29

The crimes are still being committed. kwassa May 2016 #44

So, because racism isn't over, it's reparations forever? FLPanhandle May 2016 #63

I didn't say reparations forever. kwassa May 2016 #67

I would say both have no case for reparations. FLPanhandle May 2016 #90

The reparations are for racism and oppression, not slavery. kwassa May 2016 #121

"Neither women or Appalachians were held as slaves" FLPanhandle May 2016 #123

The past is tied to the present .... kwassa May 2016 #142

So glad that many have more open minds than you brush May 2016 #144

I'm "close minded" to conclusions without logic FLPanhandle May 2016 #155

Very weak. The county not just segregated blacks it enslaved them. brush May 2016 #157

Those injustices from generations ago can not be remedied as all the participants are long dead FLPanhandle May 2016 #160

And African Americans are not still suffering from the legacy of racism and . . . brush May 2016 #162

Living Japanese Americans that were interned were compensated FLPanhandle May 2016 #163

There are millions of descendents enslaved people, and millions of descendents of . . . brush May 2016 #164

Sigh FLPanhandle May 2016 #165

You ignored the fact that Gemany compenstated descendents of the holocaust brush May 2016 #166

Weak. No one is talking about checks being cut to individuals brush May 2016 #143

Actually, some people are talking about checks to individuals FLPanhandle May 2016 #153

Sure, why not? Let's have one helluva logistical, economic, and social nightmare! Wheeee! WinkyDink May 2016 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #22

Yes. It is long overdue. guillaumeb May 2016 #26

It doesn't have to be cash payments LuckyTheDog May 2016 #51

Yes... Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #28

Nope - Keep reading OP - I think you might like this ;-) JustAnotherGen May 2016 #30

Can any reasonable argument be made against it? scscholar May 2016 #31

No. But there should be something else. Ready4Change May 2016 #33

I don't know what we should do with regard to monetary reparations for past atrocities. Maedhros May 2016 #35

The way to do that is through empowering blacks with scholarships, business grants, and home craigmatic May 2016 #94

Buiding the economic base of traditionally oppressed communities is central to Bernie Sanders' Maedhros May 2016 #106

No. linuxman May 2016 #36

Good post The2ndWheel May 2016 #42

I like a post based on logic instead of emotions FLPanhandle May 2016 #43

You are being ridiculous LuckyTheDog May 2016 #49

I'm just going to leave this here and let myself out. Glassunion May 2016 #58

Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know I was only to respond directly to the article. linuxman May 2016 #75

At the very least... LuckyTheDog May 2016 #149

you do not appear to understand what linuxman wrote Albertoo May 2016 #79

I understand what he wrote LuckyTheDog May 2016 #120

Would Obama be eligible for reparations? Albertoo May 2016 #125

Also... LuckyTheDog May 2016 #145

Just read the title of my post Albertoo May 2016 #168

Excellent post Albertoo May 2016 #80

no Logical May 2016 #95

I fully support hfojvt May 2016 #39

what is the desired end result? melm00se May 2016 #40

Rinse first! cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #50

Just for everyone's information Takket May 2016 #41

yes but it will never happen JI7 May 2016 #45

Folks make a lot of assumptions on what "reparations" exactly are. Other's just don't want a black Glassunion May 2016 #47

Yes. LuckyTheDog May 2016 #53

'the act of making amends, offering expiation, or giving satisfaction for a wrong or injury' TipTok May 2016 #70

Jim Crow lasted well into my parent's lifetime. Glassunion May 2016 #73

Why not, but let the info be exhaustive, not just a caucasians' bashing Albertoo May 2016 #124

Therein lies the rub, and most why likely nothing will be done. Glassunion May 2016 #138

We are halfway on common ground Albertoo May 2016 #167

What excuse beyond having a sad, would explain why tens of thousands of people Glassunion May 2016 #172

Who would be entitled? One question at a time. That should be the first. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #60

No, the US government fought a war to end it AgingAmerican May 2016 #61

What war did the US government fight to end Jim Crow? Glassunion May 2016 #64

Which war did the US government fight to end slavery? AgingAmerican May 2016 #84

No I do not notice a correlation between states that had Jim Crow laws, and former slave states. Glassunion May 2016 #116

One of the most ridiculous post GulfCoast66 May 2016 #83

What was the Civil War about? AgingAmerican May 2016 #85

Slavery was an American issue GulfCoast66 May 2016 #86

I have no problem with the states that had slavery paying reparations AgingAmerican May 2016 #87

Ok. And I support your right to that opinion GulfCoast66 May 2016 #88

If they allowed slaves then they should pay AgingAmerican May 2016 #89

Ok. GulfCoast66 May 2016 #91

Any states that had slaves should pay AgingAmerican May 2016 #96

So not a southern thing after all GulfCoast66 May 2016 #98

The core of it is southern AgingAmerican May 2016 #99

Changing your mind? GulfCoast66 May 2016 #104

Not at all AgingAmerican May 2016 #110

On which planet? Matrosov May 2016 #140

This would be impossible thus making it ridiculous to consider. NightWatcher May 2016 #62

The linked article addresses your entire post. It is not ridiculous to consider. Glassunion May 2016 #65

Will never happen davidn3600 May 2016 #66

Yes. Starry Messenger May 2016 #68

Maybe you should fund a study to see if water is wet... TipTok May 2016 #71

And I can start a petition for world peace Travis_0004 May 2016 #102

You won't though. Starry Messenger May 2016 #103

you are correct Travis_0004 May 2016 #107

Well, considering how things are going in detroit, perhaps. Starry Messenger May 2016 #109

Silly at best... TipTok May 2016 #69

Yes, we should Bradical79 May 2016 #72

No n/t doc03 May 2016 #76

Yes. nt ZombieHorde May 2016 #77

This old white man believes reparations are indeed due and payable. And not silvershadow May 2016 #78

What reduction in your Social Security would you be willing to accept, Nye Bevan May 2016 #111

None, thank you. I'm actually expecting a much-needed raise, as you know, due silvershadow May 2016 #112

So you're all in favor of white Americans paying reparations to black Americans, Nye Bevan May 2016 #119

That is correct. Let those with all the money pay it. I'm disabled and barely silvershadow May 2016 #128

Many DUers are for higher taxes Democat May 2016 #170

And the wealthiest among us are able to make sure they are never included when taxes go up. Ace Rothstein May 2016 #173

Why is the amount the relevant argument? kwassa May 2016 #122

60% of the US budget goes to military spending. wickerwoman May 2016 #169

Nope TeddyR May 2016 #81

Probably not direct monetary "reparations", but MH1 May 2016 #92

Yes both ruined the wealth base that we tried to build and several generations of positive black craigmatic May 2016 #93

no, not at this point. However, oldandhappy May 2016 #101

no because its a slippery slope; ericson00 May 2016 #113

So sad when there are people whose lives are so empty they have time to throw out threads like this Judi Lynn May 2016 #114

"Ghastly, whitish, sallow color"? Racist much? Nye Bevan May 2016 #118

I know, it's sad that kiva May 2016 #127

Excuse me? TrappedInUtah May 2016 #130

"rejoice in their whiteness" Democat May 2016 #171

IMO, no and yes, respectively Recursion May 2016 #115

How? cagefreesoylentgreen May 2016 #117

That's a good point too. Zing Zing Zingbah May 2016 #129

I know right TrappedInUtah May 2016 #132

If this were to ever happen I wonder how they would determine who would qualify. Zing Zing Zingbah May 2016 #126

Sigh. LuckyTheDog May 2016 #148

No. 840high May 2016 #147

Let's try funding the programs we have XemaSab May 2016 #152

Fortunately ... LuckyTheDog May 2016 #154

And yes, I am aware that not all black kids are poor and live in the inner city XemaSab May 2016 #156

I'd like a Cabinet level position/department about Racial Inequality Prism May 2016 #161

yes, especially for after slaves were free. They were like new immigrants, many owned land, homes Sunlei May 2016 #174