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In reply to the discussion: Our universe is most likely a computer simulation [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)78. Begs several questions.
First, is it possible for creatures that think they exist and are conscious to be utterly mistaken? In a universe of unknown simulations status, if a creature thinks erroneously it's intelligent, would that negate the possibility that the universe is simulated? Or would it negate the possibility that the simulation is successful? I mean, if there's one thing we know about any creature, they're fallible, even in making mistakes about the state of their own thoughts and thought processes.
"The core question is this: Is it possible, in any time or place in any universe, for a universe to be simulated that contains entities that believe themselves to be conscious and real?
"If it is possible for our universe, and ourselves within it, to be a computer simulation then the odds are overwhelming that we, you and I, are in a simulated universe."
But unless the premise in your first paragraph is true, and you don't know the odds that it is, your conclusion is false.
I have counter-hypothesis. So far, at smallest scale we could see and detect, there are no 0s and 1s to be found. In fact, quantum laws are probabilistic, not binary.
If chaos theory is an indication, and it looks like, as with statistics, chaotic systems apply to the whole universe at whatever scale, you should have symmetry of scale. That is, if you could at things small enough, you will find something like the universe that we see inside sub-sub-sub atomic particles. If you could look large enough, ultimately, the universe, or what contains it, would look like a subatomic particle like an lepton or quark.
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That was the kind of stuff that would surface after a long weekend of bonging at Ohio State....
WCGreen
Jun 2012
#1
No. No, the real ending to the Matrix is when Neo learns he is just a brain in a bottle.
tclambert
Jun 2012
#87
it would be a quantum computer, so dunno about 0s and 1s or any of the hardware options
librechik
Jun 2012
#14
What if we choose to make "sim universe"? Simulations running within simulations.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#18
Modern politics suggests that consciousness and sentience can't be simplified much farther. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#41
The thing is, humanity most likely won't have the option of surviving at just smaller numbers.
EOTE
Jun 2012
#84
This reminds me of the macro-micro thing we had in the sixties. Recently I discussed the 'game' idea
freshwest
Jun 2012
#30
I dont think too long. It's just getting interesting. Wait until the oceans rise about 3 feet
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#50
and in the machine age, the universe was a machine. man's mindset = his idea of the universe.
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#55
it's not just metaphor: more to do with available technology & thus capacity to measure, theorize,
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#64
Is not the programmer of halo "supernatural" to the characters therein?
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#74
I'm missing why there would necessarily be vast numbers of simulated universes.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2012
#73
reOur universe is most likely a computer simulationOur universe is most likely a computer simulation
allan01
Jun 2012
#79
I'd like a transfer to a simulation that doesn't have a Tea Party, or Koch brothers, or Scott Walker
tclambert
Jun 2012
#83
I don't normally play mmorpgs but I have to admit this one is pretty addictive
pokerfan
Jun 2012
#133
Next time, I get the man who's really really great in bed for a husband.
lindysalsagal
Jun 2012
#153