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21. It wasn't too shabby either: Libya had the highest standard of living in Africa under Gadaffi

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Thu May 12, 2016, 02:38 PM

May 2016

(and even higher than Saudi Arabia, for example).

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Facts about Libya under Gaddafi that you probably did not know about ! [View all] PufPuf23 May 2016 OP

install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate arcane1 May 2016 #1

Quite transparent what happened in Libya. PufPuf23 May 2016 #3

Gadaffi was involved in a lot of military adventures in other North African countries. Nitram May 2016 #70

But according to the OP SCantiGOP May 2016 #167

Gadaffi and every bullet point in your OP simply did NOT fit Hillary Clinton's business plan. CentralCoaster May 2016 #71

Not every Dictator hates there own country and people. snort May 2016 #74

The disaster of disaster capitalism. pangaia May 2016 #96

Not even close. puffy socks May 2016 #132

I have no argument with that about Gadaffi, I agree. PufPuf23 May 2016 #135

It's what NeoLiberals call "Humanitarian intervention". Funny how sufferring is actually much worse newthinking May 2016 #138

And what do you know about the suffering that wopuld have occired if Gaddafi had been left to... Nitram May 2016 #178

He may have even gone so far as to topple some incubators. frylock May 2016 #196

You of course, have an objective and peer-reviewed source to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste May 2016 #187

"Hitler was very good for the economy" uhnope May 2016 #171

A guy who can't trust ANYONE, to the point where he has a facelift MADem May 2016 #140

"That's all of American history, summed up in a single sentence." I thought this was? Glassunion May 2016 #20

I do believe you nailed... yallerdawg May 2016 #25

Maybe that's why Saint Hillary of Walmart wanted to get Ghaddafi out of the way: Betty Karlson May 2016 #161

Sad to see what the Bush administration did... scscholar May 2016 #2

That would be Hillary Clinton and Obama who destroyed Libya nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #4

Time to crack a book, scholar. Wilms May 2016 #6

Huh? Gadaffi was removed and killed in 2011 under the Obama Administration with Clinton SOS. PufPuf23 May 2016 #9

The events leading up to that... scscholar May 2016 #98

What is your comment on what Hillary did to those poor people? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #10

Ugh. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #86

2003 was a wakeup for Gaddaffi 1939 May 2016 #94

There were a lot of Libyians that wanted to see him gone, obviously. FLPanhandle May 2016 #5

Oh obviously - TBF May 2016 #7

I guess it's like Cuba...except for the sexual assault brooklynite May 2016 #8

Like the Kuwaiti incubator babies? Mass rape allegations questioned by Amnesty mainer May 2016 #15

How can one argue that in total the people and women of Libya are far worse off now and live in PufPuf23 May 2016 #23

Yes indeed. arikara May 2016 #39

She is perhaps the most horrible democratic canddate in my lifetime of 72 years... pangaia May 2016 #99

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #49

I had not previously heard there was an email and Gadaffi assassination link. PufPuf23 May 2016 #55

Source Rass May 2016 #62

Thank you. eom. PufPuf23 May 2016 #63

A lot of our actions seem to be around fears of losing control of the monetary system (competition) newthinking May 2016 #139

Be careful! robbob May 2016 #57

DU has friending? whatthehey May 2016 #80

IDK robbob May 2016 #198

This Photo Sums Up Her Reign as Sect'y of State McKim May 2016 #176

Sad... deathrind May 2016 #137

Where did you hear/read that Libyans wanted him gone? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #11

Well, there were a shitload of demonstrators in the streets early on. FLPanhandle May 2016 #14

Or maybe Hillary wanted to install a client regime to subordinate the country’s wealth... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #18

Of course she did. polly7 May 2016 #24

Riiight FLPanhandle May 2016 #34

Riiiight. Pfffft! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #36

The Libyan opposition were expat groups aligned with fundamentalist muslim groups newthinking May 2016 #141

The mobs were turned out by Saudi controlled mosques. Then leveymg May 2016 #160

There were a lot of fundamentalist tribal Libyans who hated him for not polly7 May 2016 #13

thank you... this is truth yourpaljoey May 2016 #134

Thanks Polly. I also posted a link about it. Most of the so called "arab springs" were not really newthinking May 2016 #143

Thanks very much for that link newthinking, very interesting. nt. polly7 May 2016 #144

Maybe google for a bit before opining. Wilms May 2016 #17

Typing "rainbows and puppies" is far less taxing. FlatBaroque May 2016 #26

Typing CIA is even quicker FLPanhandle May 2016 #41

Per your article... FLPanhandle May 2016 #40

"said one dissident" Wilms May 2016 #45

We have a peaceful way to remove our leaders FLPanhandle May 2016 #52

"the population"? Wilms May 2016 #58

No one is arguing things are better in Libya now. FLPanhandle May 2016 #65

How about if everyone stayed out? Wilms May 2016 #67

I agree that the US should stay out FLPanhandle May 2016 #73

OK. Good. Wilms May 2016 #83

The other side always has reasons for wanting particular politicians gone arikara May 2016 #29

Yes, but no one here has expressed those reasons. FLPanhandle May 2016 #54

He was also trying to improve the lives of people in all of Africa, polly7 May 2016 #12

I believe this is a major reason the west wanted him out of power. U4ikLefty May 2016 #153

I don't think life in Libya was quite the utopian experience as described above. LonePirate May 2016 #16

Please, do explain. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #19

It wasn't too shabby either: Libya had the highest standard of living in Africa under Gadaffi CJCRANE May 2016 #21

Tripoli looks just like Baltimore, too. NuclearDem May 2016 #22

What is the matter with you that you support what happened to the common people who live in Libya? PufPuf23 May 2016 #27

I bet there was giggling. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #35

That's a take on an old DU classic KamaAina May 2016 #105

Yea, and? ... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #32

From Africa’s Wealthiest Democracy Under Gaddafi to Terrorist Haven After US Intervention polly7 May 2016 #28

"Democracy"? "US-led bombing campaign"? Try "dictatorship" and "French-led bombing campaign". nt ieoeja May 2016 #89

Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya polly7 May 2016 #102

You want to whitewash Gaddafi, do it on some other forum Blue_Tires May 2016 #30

man, you of all people say that? runaway hero May 2016 #154

Sigh. Criticizing the NATO led bombing is not synonymous with whitewashing Gaddafi. cali May 2016 #190

He was publicly sodomized with a sword FlatBaroque May 2016 #31

And Hillary Clinton finds that humorous. Hahaha. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #91

All based on lies. And remember, this is AFTER Iraq. FlatBaroque May 2016 #93

OFFS. What is this glamorization of dictators doing here on DU? Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #33

Your post is an excellent example of this: arcane1 May 2016 #37

The entire persona is reductionist absurdity. FlatBaroque May 2016 #82

Reductio ad absurdum is valid rhetoric. It is NOT a fallacy. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #157

Hey jberryhill May 2016 #42

Pinochet? The guy Nixon, Kissinger and CIA installed as a model for USA's future? Octafish May 2016 #43

I don't glamorize Gadaffi in this thread or elsewhere. PufPuf23 May 2016 #53

We were instrumental in installing Pinochet cali May 2016 #79

Clinton was against Gaddafi, therefore DUers need to find excuses to be for him. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #81

Mussolini was a competent administrator. The first Kim was a hero in the fight against Japan. ieoeja May 2016 #100

It's the knee-jerk regressive left uhnope May 2016 #174

Exposed: The "Humanitarian" War In Libya polly7 May 2016 #38

Wow. What a comprehensive post. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #44

You're welcome. polly7 May 2016 #48

All my adult life I have watched these foreign interventions in slow motion knowing that, PufPuf23 May 2016 #61

I agree with you completely. polly7 May 2016 #66

It's called "Backing Up Globalization with Military Might" nationalize the fed May 2016 #148

Holy God! And if Hillary is the next president, look out Iran! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #60

Wow, talk about comprehensively covering a subject zeemike May 2016 #75

For all that is wrong with DU FlatBaroque May 2016 #84

This would be an excellent OP. arcane1 May 2016 #90

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #97

Thank you for this incredible post. What we did to Libya is such a war crime. FighttheFuture May 2016 #104

Stunning. nt thereismore May 2016 #106

awesome post! nt lakeguy May 2016 #117

This needs its own thread Martin Eden May 2016 #184

from the article... spanone May 2016 #46

For a Dictator, he was doing a great job of making life better for Libya's neighbors, too. Octafish May 2016 #47

Hello my DU hero. eom. PufPuf23 May 2016 #56

He shared the country's wealth. FlatBaroque May 2016 #85

"Wonder what Qaddafi did to piss off Washington?" SunSeeker May 2016 #205

That may be so. Iran also or instead may have been responsible. Octafish May 2016 #209

No wonder they wanted him out of there. zeemike May 2016 #50

that's hilar-- oh, wait, you're serious. uhnope May 2016 #175

Oh please. Do try to inform yourself cali May 2016 #177

oh. you again. uhnope May 2016 #185

that individuals and corporations and others try to profit off this shit, is fact cali May 2016 #189

That's serio-- oh, wait, you're hilarious.. zeemike May 2016 #180

It burns. cali May 2016 #191

Some additional reading that is important: Maedhros May 2016 #51

Great article. Thank you Maedhros. nt. polly7 May 2016 #59

Thank you for adding to the thread. PufPuf23 May 2016 #68

Facts? yallerdawg May 2016 #64

So? If CNN did not at least in part respect the document, why continue to carry it on their website PufPuf23 May 2016 #69

This is like referencing a blog. yallerdawg May 2016 #76

I wondered at the time. snort May 2016 #72

Pretty fucking pathetic... tarheelsunc May 2016 #77

Several times in this thread I have stated I regarded Gadaffi a dictator but deliberately PufPuf23 May 2016 #78

You're being deliberately distorted by Clinton sycophants who can't do nuance. arcane1 May 2016 #88

I get that. Thank you. PufPuf23 May 2016 #92

Um, the OP links an iReport CNN blog. joshcryer May 2016 #109

Without intervention Libya would look like Syria. joshcryer May 2016 #108

The main point I meant to make in this thread is that the common people of Libya PufPuf23 May 2016 #112

If you act it can go two ways. joshcryer May 2016 #114

Yes, it is pathetic. murielm99 May 2016 #204

So the trains ran on time....lol EX500rider May 2016 #87

I prefer the current Italy, even if the trains run a bit late. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #211

Gadaffi tried to make a billion dollar gift to Louis Farrakhan. oasis May 2016 #95

What major Presidential candidate said, speaking of Gaddafi: guillaumeb May 2016 #101

It tells me that moondust May 2016 #110

That also applies fairly well to the current SOS. In my view. guillaumeb May 2016 #116

If Qaddafi was such a great guy... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #103

Here are some more facts about Gaddafi puffy socks May 2016 #107

Okay, here's a complex theory, but I think I'm onto something. Peace Patriot May 2016 #111

Interesting and thoughtful. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #113

My thanks also for your insights. Fair makes one's head spin doesn't it? LongTomH May 2016 #170

Not sure what is more embarrassing..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #115

Don't rain on this Tiger Beat circle jerk. Throd May 2016 #118

Who loves Gadaffi? I don't. PufPuf23 May 2016 #119

Qaddafi was one of the 10 richest men EVER in history Albertoo May 2016 #120

About the wealth attributed to Gadaffi - PufPuf23 May 2016 #121

You are conflating lots of things. Bottom line: Qaddafi was a greedy dictator Albertoo May 2016 #123

I never have said Gadaffi was a good nor honorable man. PufPuf23 May 2016 #126

Oh sure, the western intervention was not well handled Albertoo May 2016 #128

My very point. Gadaffi was weak sauce to the horror unleashed upon PufPuf23 May 2016 #130

The original sin was Iraq Albertoo May 2016 #133

Not to excuse the unnecessary intervention, but some of these "facts" sound too good to be true. TacoD May 2016 #122

I have noted that the "facts" are a "perfect" presentation of intention. PufPuf23 May 2016 #124

Well, it's clear why the oligarchy couldn't have any of that! nt valerief May 2016 #125

I am disappointed by those at DU that spin that because Gadaffi was an asshole PufPuf23 May 2016 #127

We know who they're supporting in the presidential election. nt valerief May 2016 #129

Shhhh. eom. PufPuf23 May 2016 #131

It's okay if I don't say the name. nt valerief May 2016 #182

nice propaganda Mosby May 2016 #136

Agree the points were incomplete initiatives and serve as anti-intervention propoganda. PufPuf23 May 2016 #142

Gadaffi may well be still alive today had he been less interventionist himself Kaleva May 2016 #145

Yes, it was a classic oil state dictatorship. The government bought the loyalty of the people with Zynx May 2016 #146

If you read the thread my point was about the intervention and PufPuf23 May 2016 #147

Many military dictators had good intentions and policies bhikkhu May 2016 #149

I have made at least 10 posts in this thread stating the intent of this OP is PufPuf23 May 2016 #150

I don't have any first-hand knowledge about the intent of the revolution bhikkhu May 2016 #151

Forget about it. You don't even read before you respond. PufPuf23 May 2016 #152

"... it turned out well enough, eventually." < If you are white, perhaps. For a person of color, or jtuck004 May 2016 #192

Given that your OP is a 16 bullet point plus extolling of the virtues of Gadaffi.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #164

I think if you repeat it all about 10 more times you are certain to have a great impact. jtuck004 May 2016 #193

Hell, even not going so far as extreme.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #156

Challenging the petrodollar can be an insalubrious activity. Alkene May 2016 #155

And, and then there's that little human rights issue and sponsoring terrorism Feeling the Bern May 2016 #158

The nationalizing of oil was certainly a factor in our attempted coup Lodestar May 2016 #159

I spoke about this numerous time right here at DU several years ago...before Obama was Jitter65 May 2016 #162

Really??? A puff piece about a confirmed terrorist and murderer? hueymahl May 2016 #163

It's the same sort of binary thinking you saw when people praised Putin a few years back. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #166

Look at history. Gadaffi had renounced terrorism and was attempting to modernize Libya and PufPuf23 May 2016 #199

Gadaffi is a tyrant who fleeced his country and murdered his citizens. He is the ultimate 1% asshat hueymahl May 2016 #201

Libya had been a strong ally angrychair May 2016 #165

Gadafy offers Russia a naval base in Libya PufPuf23 May 2016 #197

Most murderous monsters don't know that they're bad IronLionZion May 2016 #168

My own idea of a socialist paradise would be closer to the Scandinavian countries bhikkhu May 2016 #169

This is like those lists about how African Americans were better off as slaves uhnope May 2016 #172

So, Libya was a worker's paradise, eh? MrScorpio May 2016 #173

Its pretty obvious to everyone now that this is the wrong way..or is it? LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #179

Interesting thoughts. I tend to agree. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #200

most interesting. niyad May 2016 #181

Pan Am Flight 103 videohead5 May 2016 #183

Yes, Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie 270 dead and his treatment of the Libyan people? Lady_Chat May 2016 #188

Gadaffi had renounced terroism, turned over perps for prosecution, and was paying damages to victims PufPuf23 May 2016 #194

i.e., a good man who did a bad thing 6chars May 2016 #202

The hatred of Hillary is so high awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #186

Who made a case for Gadaffi's sainthood? I don't. PufPuf23 May 2016 #195

Is There a Hillary Doctrine? PufPuf23 May 2016 #203

OPs like this are an embarrassment for DU. SunSeeker May 2016 #206

I suggest you read and respond the thread to be taken seriously. PufPuf23 May 2016 #207

I did read the ridiculous OP. I regret wasting my time on this shameless Qaddafi apologia. SunSeeker May 2016 #208

ITT, marks believe Quaddi propoganfa. AngryAmish May 2016 #210

Go to Lockerbie, Scotland. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #212

How does that compare with the scars in Libya and the number of innocent people killed in Libya PufPuf23 May 2016 #214

but not freedom of speech treestar May 2016 #213

This OP served well as a honey pot for certain posters. PufPuf23 May 2016 #215

If they like Gaddafi so much and life was so ideal treestar May 2016 #217

k&r Electric Monk May 2016 #216

Kick, for visibility edgineered May 2016 #218

Update time jamzrockz Dec 2017 #219