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Albertoo

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15. JFK did the Bay of Pigs while Sanders flirted with the Sandinistas

Reply to Carolina (Reply #12)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:02 AM

May 2016

I think HRC is much closer to FDR and JFK than Sanders. By far.

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Those who accuse progressives of calling for "purity tests" want this party to stand for nothing. [View all] Ken Burch May 2016 OP

Those who insist that the Democratic Party is just their self-centered corner of the Big Tent need MADem May 2016 #1

Your post is so rich in hypocrisy you may want a shell cooperation to funnel it through! northernsouthern May 2016 #5

You mad, bro? MADem May 2016 #9

Wow sexism? northernsouthern May 2016 #11

LOL. MADem May 2016 #21

HIllary is sure to be sworn in truedelphi May 2016 #28

Poll after poll? Baghdad Bob- good to see you here redstateblues May 2016 #31

.+1 840high May 2016 #55

Poll after poll, eh? LOL!! Get back to me in Jan 2017, ok? MADem May 2016 #104

I used to read your posts for their good content greiner3 May 2016 #113

Ask yourself that question... nt SylviaD May 2016 #123

Look who's talking with the little "shit" icon and the "WTF" aggression? MADem May 2016 #166

Don't count chickens Beartracks May 2016 #161

No, I am counting votes. MILLIONS of them. MADem May 2016 #183

Wow doubling down on false narratives? northernsouthern May 2016 #187

That is when it is time to turn to polls Cordy May 2016 #220

"In your dreams" clearly means you are rooting for her to lose. I wish people like you understood Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #126

Ah I see you are not familiar with common english colloquials. northernsouthern May 2016 #190

You are sexist when you say sexist things...that is how it works. northernsouthern May 2016 #29

Thatcher had piss poor favorability ratings in 1979. She won because Labour imploded. Zynx May 2016 #45

Yes I have heard of a poll tax... northernsouthern May 2016 #50

You obviously aren't familiar with Maggie's Poll Tax. It was a flat dollar amount property tax. Zynx May 2016 #54

You may want to read my post...or read on our poll tax. northernsouthern May 2016 #57

It's amazing what you learn about people who post here. MADem May 2016 #134

LOL! You so FUNNY!!!!! MADem May 2016 #112

Wow from sexism to Reagan??? northernsouthern May 2016 #186

You're the one with the fixation on Thatcher, not me. nt MADem May 2016 #198

Then why do you keep bringing her up? northernsouthern May 2016 #200

I am not going to look at your video collection. You brought Thatcher to this thread--not me. MADem May 2016 #202

Really? You fixate on Thatcher and ignore the classics. northernsouthern May 2016 #222

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant May 2016 #148

:) Thank you ! :) northernsouthern May 2016 #191

Don't forget the glass ceiling of spouses being impeached. And the other libdem4life May 2016 #203

Yes, by all means.... afertal May 2016 #95

Oh, there will be a swearing in to be sure. frylock May 2016 #160

You are right. lark May 2016 #96

I want to be able to identify them in real life so I can walk up to them and say Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #128

"Pure Evil"? northernsouthern May 2016 #194

Hey northernsouthern radical noodle May 2016 #157

I am pretty sure it is. northernsouthern May 2016 #193

She does that to people everywhere! radical noodle May 2016 #215

Boy, you said exactly what I was thinking to a T! KPN May 2016 #86

My way or the high way is not a winning strategy! You don't get to make demands! SpareribSP May 2016 #39

You need to look around a bit more--the Purity Police are out on patrol. nt MADem May 2016 #52

Does "playing well with others" include destroying countries full of brown people , cpwm17 May 2016 #61

Yes, of course, she's Doctor Evil. Listen to yourself. Such fantastical bitterness. MADem May 2016 #110

Let's say the good people of Azerbaijan (name any country) decided that they want to elect cpwm17 May 2016 #120

Oh, all those "brown people" in Azerbaijan? LOL. MADem May 2016 #125

Yea, because we're magically special and aggressive wars should not be held against us. cpwm17 May 2016 #135

Look, I am trying to tell you, politely, that I cannot take you seriously. MADem May 2016 #136

This is a discussion board cpwm17 May 2016 #141

That's fine--but when "discussions" become convoluted, conspiracy-level hypotheticals, MADem May 2016 #144

What's devoid of scholarship or logic are the neocons cpwm17 May 2016 #207

+1000, MADem! Hortensis May 2016 #66

Compromise is essential in government but in ones own party having a solid platform is ALL IMPORTANT Baobab May 2016 #93

Look, the bottom line is this--she with the most votes, wins. MADem May 2016 #111

Hypocrite much? nt Gore1FL May 2016 #103

I'm so sorry that your mood is poor. nt MADem May 2016 #109

My mood is great. Gore1FL May 2016 #117

Yes, because people in great moods name-call when they don't like what someone says. MADem May 2016 #146

Who name called? Gore1FL May 2016 #224

LOL--the rubric of "observational" doesn't protect you! MADem May 2016 #225

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #228

+1,000. We all need to work to defeat Trump. ANY Dem is miles better than that horrible OregonBlue May 2016 #108

WTF? RiverNoord May 2016 #118

WTF? LOL!!! MADem May 2016 #129

And "winners" do need to come politely to the table and offer something... bvar22 May 2016 #174

No, you don't understand--winners are seated at the HEAD OF THE TABLE. MADem May 2016 #184

If I "see it", and "others see it", bvar22 May 2016 #216

It has been ever thus, and people have "seen it" done just the way I outlined since the dawn MADem May 2016 #217

"Your way and I get to hold office," is also a shit strategy. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #130

The strategy you are griping about is this: She who gets the most votes wins. MADem May 2016 #137

Yet she stands for nothing and will only declare lots of wars and enact Neo-Liberal econ policy. JPnoodleman May 2016 #150

Let's review: She wins, you don't like it. GRRR! GRRR! Gloom/Doom! Buzzwords! MADem May 2016 #154

I posted here a long time ago.... and returned to see what this place had become... JPnoodleman May 2016 #156

Obviously you haven't kept up. The DLC has been out of business for eons. MADem May 2016 #167

Yes the organization called DLC is dead, its now the DNC. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #168

And who is the leader of the DNC? MADem May 2016 #169

Barack? Mr. TTP and TTIP? n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #170

If you don't like the party, again, no one is holding you prisoner. nt MADem May 2016 #182

I've posted the very same thing. bvar22 May 2016 #218

She stands for me. apcalc May 2016 #178

Isn't your last sentence a "my way or the highway" statement? Dustlawyer May 2016 #145

No. It's the way things are. When you win, you GET to call the shots. MADem May 2016 #151

Yeah I have seen several people on here like that. northernsouthern May 2016 #2

Bravo, well said Carolina May 2016 #7

It's been obvious they were around since "It's just one prayer" and that was Jan 20, 2009 Fumesucker May 2016 #16

"Trudging Over The Hill" disillusioned73 May 2016 #77

Yes, the Rick Warren thing, for me, was the beginning of questioning just what the djean111 May 2016 #102

I was a strong supporter of Candidate Obama but knew we were screwed at Rick Warren. rhett o rick May 2016 #163

Exactly right dreamnightwind May 2016 #177

Just so! Fairgo May 2016 #53

Well put. Thank you. 840high May 2016 #56

Well said, thanks! nt haikugal May 2016 #101

Hillary is not a dark Machiavellian creeksneakers2 May 2016 #147

Well said. Mindblowing that they are willing to ignore that. JimDandy May 2016 #3

Indeed RobertEarl May 2016 #4

From Roosevelt to Obama, Democrat doesn't mean Socialism Albertoo May 2016 #6

From FDR Carolina May 2016 #12

Great post. truedelphi May 2016 #14

If you are not into socialism, then, please... RobertEarl May 2016 #22

You'd think people would understand your points, but truedelphi May 2016 #26

Keep telling them RobertEarl May 2016 #32

The socialist roads? I guess the... reACTIONary May 2016 #124

JFK did the Bay of Pigs while Sanders flirted with the Sandinistas Albertoo May 2016 #15

Wow! Wrong on so many levels! 20score May 2016 #23

. Dragonfli May 2016 #24

Dream on Carolina May 2016 #27

... he wanted to break up the CIA... Ghost Dog May 2016 #59

+10 99th_Monkey May 2016 #122

+100 nt Duval May 2016 #139

Amen Excellent Post McKim May 2016 #189

So sorry for your loss Carolina May 2016 #219

Nothing wrong with "flirting with the Sandinistas" Ken Burch May 2016 #34

Everyone knows left wing dictatorships GulfCoast66 May 2016 #41

The Sandinistas weren't a left-wing dictatorship. They were freely elected in 1984. Ken Burch May 2016 #43

So funny. Bye! Not worth reading any longer... nt stillwaiting May 2016 #62

Bye to you too Albertoo May 2016 #64

wow, just wow... Javaman May 2016 #71

Oh please GulfCoast66 May 2016 #40

A lot of bullshit in that post. zeemike May 2016 #107

Thanks for your post, zeemike. Duval May 2016 #138

Or just trying to re write it. zeemike May 2016 #142

It's not bullshit. You might be fair calling it "glass half empty" but it's not bullshit. MADem May 2016 #164

It is funny how those who now defend incrementalism hated it in the past. zeemike May 2016 #175

You're the one "defending" a couple of incrementalists, though. MADem May 2016 #181

You and I have had these exchanges before. zeemike May 2016 #188

I started from a place where I saw you berating another DUer upthread with the word BULLSHIT. MADem May 2016 #196

Well as I said we have done this before. zeemike May 2016 #199

I am not "accusing" nor am I "condescending." I am telling you what YOU said. MADem May 2016 #201

Yes you are. zeemike May 2016 #209

There's nothing to interpret. MADem May 2016 #213

On fact it meant the OPPOSITE of Wall St tool tblue May 2016 #42

Maybe you should learn more than a talking point. 20score May 2016 #19

You really do not know your subject Albertoo May 2016 #51

That is an Absolute or Totally Socialist economy. The difference is Ghost Dog May 2016 #60

That is your definition, not the standard accepted one (which I link you to) Albertoo May 2016 #63

look beyond wiki if you want to make valid assertions... islandmkl May 2016 #72

blame it on wiki Albertoo May 2016 #74

and wiki links knows all, right? Javaman May 2016 #73

your own link destroys your claim Albertoo May 2016 #76

wow, just wow... Javaman May 2016 #79

your parallel too is self defeating Albertoo May 2016 #173

You are being disingenuous Albert. KPN May 2016 #91

I think you are referring to... reACTIONary May 2016 #131

You can have purity or you can have tolerance but you can't have both. LonePirate May 2016 #8

Purity is what killed the GOP. nt MADem May 2016 #10

^^^ +++ ^^^ Albertoo May 2016 #18

So why are you pushing purity? KPN May 2016 #94

Tolerance of Democratic values yes, tolerance of neo-fascists, no, there is a limit. Dragonfli May 2016 #20

There aren't neo-fascists creeksneakers2 May 2016 #149

I don't think tolerance wins out anymore. bvf May 2016 #25

K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #13

I am 100% opposed to Republican politics. cheapdate May 2016 #17

plus 1! Lady Freedom Returns May 2016 #37

Well said! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #69

What you said. old guy May 2016 #80

A fighting chance to do what?! KPN May 2016 #97

A fighting chance to advance progressive policy, ideas, and legislation. cheapdate May 2016 #180

More drama creeksneakers2 May 2016 #30

When you stand for nothing, you are nothing. highprincipleswork May 2016 #33

When you stand for nothing, you are nothing. highprincipleswork May 2016 #35

Great! From now on You, Ken Burch, get to decide who is really a Democrat. redstateblues May 2016 #36

There is no issue that hasn't been thrown aside to promote Bernie BainsBane May 2016 #38

This thread isn't even about the Sanders vs. Clinton contest. Ken Burch May 2016 #44

I see BainsBane May 2016 #47

Party officials do favor "centrists"(we should just call them conservatives) Ken Burch May 2016 #49

Hillary has Goldman Sachs, and TPP, what she doesn't have is our backs! denbot May 2016 #46

She's not like Trump creeksneakers2 May 2016 #153

I argue that it's more important that they support most progressive policy positions rather than all Zynx May 2016 #48

I thought there was a forum for primary topics. RandySF May 2016 #58

amen...not looking forward to holding my nose in november dembotoz May 2016 #65

Or want it to stand for sensible best options whatthehey May 2016 #67

There are hundreds of issues, each with dozens of potential solutions FLPanhandle May 2016 #68

And on the flipside, Blue_Tires May 2016 #70

K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #75

The "Love it or leave it" wing of the party is very active this primary. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #78

Unbecoming Two Dimensional Thinking ProfessorGAC May 2016 #81

This belongs in GDP WhiteTara May 2016 #82

Great headline. Perfectly said. zentrum May 2016 #83

I cannot compromise with the Third Way. I was born in 1941 jwirr May 2016 #99

I'm seeing zentrum May 2016 #114

My friend says we will not be voting FOR her but against him. jwirr May 2016 #116

Yes. That's it. zentrum May 2016 #119

Those that support candidates w/ obviously troubling backgrounds just because of ideology stand for Renew Deal May 2016 #84

I put all the trolls on ignore, this site is SO much better now! Rex May 2016 #85

I may have to start doing that hueymahl May 2016 #87

Try it, never used it in all these years but it is great. Rex May 2016 #88

~This!~ yuiyoshida May 2016 #89

Exactly! In effect, it's tantamount to saying "sexism" WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #90

Irony is lost on you... joeybee12 May 2016 #92

The Party wants to move to the Right, because it is very lucrative to do so Maedhros May 2016 #98

"Purity tests?" You mean like calling a candidate unacceptable because... Nitram May 2016 #100

Oh, if that were the only reason! djean111 May 2016 #105

I am more upset about them accepting Reagonomics. nt Gore1FL May 2016 #106

I had a long reply to this post. Jakes Progress May 2016 #115

Another beltanefauve May 2016 #133

Watch who you call shallow. Jakes Progress May 2016 #185

That's not true at all anigbrowl May 2016 #121

Vote Blue, no matter who - that's the motto, right? Kittycat May 2016 #127

Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #172

Well said. nt Duval May 2016 #132

Partially why I've removed myself PatrynXX May 2016 #140

I agree 100%. RiverNoord May 2016 #143

As evidence: the number of DUers who HATED Clinton in 2008 but are now her biggest supporters arcane1 May 2016 #152

You want purity because your candidate demands it. Loki May 2016 #155

a party is an association of people for political purposes treestar May 2016 #158

unbelievable what i'm seeing and hearing on here. joedogs May 2016 #159

I hate Democrats blah blah blah. 3 million more votes 300 more pledged delegates leftofcool May 2016 #162

So Democrats stand for nothing and only care aboout electing Democrats Progressive dog May 2016 #165

Kicked and recommended! My party will stand for something. Enthusiast May 2016 #171

Re purity ..."Some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good." apcalc May 2016 #176

Get over yourself. wildeyed May 2016 #179

We've tried hard to broaden our base Ken Burch May 2016 #206

Then you live somewhere really blue and need to get out more wildeyed May 2016 #212

I absolutely agree with you on A, B, and C. Ken Burch May 2016 #214

Because YOUR OP indicates that you are entitled wildeyed May 2016 #223

Political parties are very much like religion. basselope May 2016 #192

A lot of them have worked for YEARS to get Wall Street's love..... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #195

I'm curious, how do you expect to change anything with Trump as Prez? AgadorSparticus May 2016 #197

I'm not personally "Bernie or bust". You've got me wrong there. Ken Burch May 2016 #205

I don't think that any person we put into the WH can really do much of anything until we getcontrol AgadorSparticus May 2016 #210

The Party stands for electing center right Democrats. merrily May 2016 #204

Ken Burch—It is Ds’ attempt to yield control. Actions speak louder than words.… CobaltBlue May 2016 #208

Purity tests are what right-wingers do. apnu May 2016 #211

maybe the best position would be somewhere between the two Skittles May 2016 #221

Some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good. apcalc May 2016 #226

Those that accuse this party of... Stand for nothing, loses argument. seabeyond May 2016 #227