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Ken Burch

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34. Nothing wrong with "flirting with the Sandinistas"

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:31 AM

May 2016

They were and are the only progressive, humane force that has ever existed in Nicaraguan politics, the only party that ever stood with the workers and the poor.

All of the anti-Sandinista types want a permanently right-wing Nicaragua.

And it was never any of our business which party the Nicaraguan people put in power in the first place. It was there country, and no one outside of it had any right to try to impose their will.

Thank God the Bay of Pigs failed...all a "victory" by the Miami invaders could ever have produced was a military dictatorship or another Batista. None of the people who tried to overthrow Castro day wanted a democratic, progressive, humane, non-racist Cuba. None of them wanted decent conditions for working people or education and decent healthcare for the poor. They just wanted "private property".

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Those who accuse progressives of calling for "purity tests" want this party to stand for nothing. [View all] Ken Burch May 2016 OP

Those who insist that the Democratic Party is just their self-centered corner of the Big Tent need MADem May 2016 #1

Your post is so rich in hypocrisy you may want a shell cooperation to funnel it through! northernsouthern May 2016 #5

You mad, bro? MADem May 2016 #9

Wow sexism? northernsouthern May 2016 #11

LOL. MADem May 2016 #21

HIllary is sure to be sworn in truedelphi May 2016 #28

Poll after poll? Baghdad Bob- good to see you here redstateblues May 2016 #31

.+1 840high May 2016 #55

Poll after poll, eh? LOL!! Get back to me in Jan 2017, ok? MADem May 2016 #104

I used to read your posts for their good content greiner3 May 2016 #113

Ask yourself that question... nt SylviaD May 2016 #123

Look who's talking with the little "shit" icon and the "WTF" aggression? MADem May 2016 #166

Don't count chickens Beartracks May 2016 #161

No, I am counting votes. MILLIONS of them. MADem May 2016 #183

Wow doubling down on false narratives? northernsouthern May 2016 #187

That is when it is time to turn to polls Cordy May 2016 #220

"In your dreams" clearly means you are rooting for her to lose. I wish people like you understood Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #126

Ah I see you are not familiar with common english colloquials. northernsouthern May 2016 #190

You are sexist when you say sexist things...that is how it works. northernsouthern May 2016 #29

Thatcher had piss poor favorability ratings in 1979. She won because Labour imploded. Zynx May 2016 #45

Yes I have heard of a poll tax... northernsouthern May 2016 #50

You obviously aren't familiar with Maggie's Poll Tax. It was a flat dollar amount property tax. Zynx May 2016 #54

You may want to read my post...or read on our poll tax. northernsouthern May 2016 #57

It's amazing what you learn about people who post here. MADem May 2016 #134

LOL! You so FUNNY!!!!! MADem May 2016 #112

Wow from sexism to Reagan??? northernsouthern May 2016 #186

You're the one with the fixation on Thatcher, not me. nt MADem May 2016 #198

Then why do you keep bringing her up? northernsouthern May 2016 #200

I am not going to look at your video collection. You brought Thatcher to this thread--not me. MADem May 2016 #202

Really? You fixate on Thatcher and ignore the classics. northernsouthern May 2016 #222

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant May 2016 #148

:) Thank you ! :) northernsouthern May 2016 #191

Don't forget the glass ceiling of spouses being impeached. And the other libdem4life May 2016 #203

Yes, by all means.... afertal May 2016 #95

Oh, there will be a swearing in to be sure. frylock May 2016 #160

You are right. lark May 2016 #96

I want to be able to identify them in real life so I can walk up to them and say Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #128

"Pure Evil"? northernsouthern May 2016 #194

Hey northernsouthern radical noodle May 2016 #157

I am pretty sure it is. northernsouthern May 2016 #193

She does that to people everywhere! radical noodle May 2016 #215

Boy, you said exactly what I was thinking to a T! KPN May 2016 #86

My way or the high way is not a winning strategy! You don't get to make demands! SpareribSP May 2016 #39

You need to look around a bit more--the Purity Police are out on patrol. nt MADem May 2016 #52

Does "playing well with others" include destroying countries full of brown people , cpwm17 May 2016 #61

Yes, of course, she's Doctor Evil. Listen to yourself. Such fantastical bitterness. MADem May 2016 #110

Let's say the good people of Azerbaijan (name any country) decided that they want to elect cpwm17 May 2016 #120

Oh, all those "brown people" in Azerbaijan? LOL. MADem May 2016 #125

Yea, because we're magically special and aggressive wars should not be held against us. cpwm17 May 2016 #135

Look, I am trying to tell you, politely, that I cannot take you seriously. MADem May 2016 #136

This is a discussion board cpwm17 May 2016 #141

That's fine--but when "discussions" become convoluted, conspiracy-level hypotheticals, MADem May 2016 #144

What's devoid of scholarship or logic are the neocons cpwm17 May 2016 #207

+1000, MADem! Hortensis May 2016 #66

Compromise is essential in government but in ones own party having a solid platform is ALL IMPORTANT Baobab May 2016 #93

Look, the bottom line is this--she with the most votes, wins. MADem May 2016 #111

Hypocrite much? nt Gore1FL May 2016 #103

I'm so sorry that your mood is poor. nt MADem May 2016 #109

My mood is great. Gore1FL May 2016 #117

Yes, because people in great moods name-call when they don't like what someone says. MADem May 2016 #146

Who name called? Gore1FL May 2016 #224

LOL--the rubric of "observational" doesn't protect you! MADem May 2016 #225

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+1,000. We all need to work to defeat Trump. ANY Dem is miles better than that horrible OregonBlue May 2016 #108

WTF? RiverNoord May 2016 #118

WTF? LOL!!! MADem May 2016 #129

And "winners" do need to come politely to the table and offer something... bvar22 May 2016 #174

No, you don't understand--winners are seated at the HEAD OF THE TABLE. MADem May 2016 #184

If I "see it", and "others see it", bvar22 May 2016 #216

It has been ever thus, and people have "seen it" done just the way I outlined since the dawn MADem May 2016 #217

"Your way and I get to hold office," is also a shit strategy. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #130

The strategy you are griping about is this: She who gets the most votes wins. MADem May 2016 #137

Yet she stands for nothing and will only declare lots of wars and enact Neo-Liberal econ policy. JPnoodleman May 2016 #150

Let's review: She wins, you don't like it. GRRR! GRRR! Gloom/Doom! Buzzwords! MADem May 2016 #154

I posted here a long time ago.... and returned to see what this place had become... JPnoodleman May 2016 #156

Obviously you haven't kept up. The DLC has been out of business for eons. MADem May 2016 #167

Yes the organization called DLC is dead, its now the DNC. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #168

And who is the leader of the DNC? MADem May 2016 #169

Barack? Mr. TTP and TTIP? n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #170

If you don't like the party, again, no one is holding you prisoner. nt MADem May 2016 #182

I've posted the very same thing. bvar22 May 2016 #218

She stands for me. apcalc May 2016 #178

Isn't your last sentence a "my way or the highway" statement? Dustlawyer May 2016 #145

No. It's the way things are. When you win, you GET to call the shots. MADem May 2016 #151

Yeah I have seen several people on here like that. northernsouthern May 2016 #2

Bravo, well said Carolina May 2016 #7

It's been obvious they were around since "It's just one prayer" and that was Jan 20, 2009 Fumesucker May 2016 #16

"Trudging Over The Hill" disillusioned73 May 2016 #77

Yes, the Rick Warren thing, for me, was the beginning of questioning just what the djean111 May 2016 #102

I was a strong supporter of Candidate Obama but knew we were screwed at Rick Warren. rhett o rick May 2016 #163

Exactly right dreamnightwind May 2016 #177

Just so! Fairgo May 2016 #53

Well put. Thank you. 840high May 2016 #56

Well said, thanks! nt haikugal May 2016 #101

Hillary is not a dark Machiavellian creeksneakers2 May 2016 #147

Well said. Mindblowing that they are willing to ignore that. JimDandy May 2016 #3

Indeed RobertEarl May 2016 #4

From Roosevelt to Obama, Democrat doesn't mean Socialism Albertoo May 2016 #6

From FDR Carolina May 2016 #12

Great post. truedelphi May 2016 #14

If you are not into socialism, then, please... RobertEarl May 2016 #22

You'd think people would understand your points, but truedelphi May 2016 #26

Keep telling them RobertEarl May 2016 #32

The socialist roads? I guess the... reACTIONary May 2016 #124

JFK did the Bay of Pigs while Sanders flirted with the Sandinistas Albertoo May 2016 #15

Wow! Wrong on so many levels! 20score May 2016 #23

. Dragonfli May 2016 #24

Dream on Carolina May 2016 #27

... he wanted to break up the CIA... Ghost Dog May 2016 #59

+10 99th_Monkey May 2016 #122

+100 nt Duval May 2016 #139

Amen Excellent Post McKim May 2016 #189

So sorry for your loss Carolina May 2016 #219

Nothing wrong with "flirting with the Sandinistas" Ken Burch May 2016 #34

Everyone knows left wing dictatorships GulfCoast66 May 2016 #41

The Sandinistas weren't a left-wing dictatorship. They were freely elected in 1984. Ken Burch May 2016 #43

So funny. Bye! Not worth reading any longer... nt stillwaiting May 2016 #62

Bye to you too Albertoo May 2016 #64

wow, just wow... Javaman May 2016 #71

Oh please GulfCoast66 May 2016 #40

A lot of bullshit in that post. zeemike May 2016 #107

Thanks for your post, zeemike. Duval May 2016 #138

Or just trying to re write it. zeemike May 2016 #142

It's not bullshit. You might be fair calling it "glass half empty" but it's not bullshit. MADem May 2016 #164

It is funny how those who now defend incrementalism hated it in the past. zeemike May 2016 #175

You're the one "defending" a couple of incrementalists, though. MADem May 2016 #181

You and I have had these exchanges before. zeemike May 2016 #188

I started from a place where I saw you berating another DUer upthread with the word BULLSHIT. MADem May 2016 #196

Well as I said we have done this before. zeemike May 2016 #199

I am not "accusing" nor am I "condescending." I am telling you what YOU said. MADem May 2016 #201

Yes you are. zeemike May 2016 #209

There's nothing to interpret. MADem May 2016 #213

On fact it meant the OPPOSITE of Wall St tool tblue May 2016 #42

Maybe you should learn more than a talking point. 20score May 2016 #19

You really do not know your subject Albertoo May 2016 #51

That is an Absolute or Totally Socialist economy. The difference is Ghost Dog May 2016 #60

That is your definition, not the standard accepted one (which I link you to) Albertoo May 2016 #63

look beyond wiki if you want to make valid assertions... islandmkl May 2016 #72

blame it on wiki Albertoo May 2016 #74

and wiki links knows all, right? Javaman May 2016 #73

your own link destroys your claim Albertoo May 2016 #76

wow, just wow... Javaman May 2016 #79

your parallel too is self defeating Albertoo May 2016 #173

You are being disingenuous Albert. KPN May 2016 #91

I think you are referring to... reACTIONary May 2016 #131

You can have purity or you can have tolerance but you can't have both. LonePirate May 2016 #8

Purity is what killed the GOP. nt MADem May 2016 #10

^^^ +++ ^^^ Albertoo May 2016 #18

So why are you pushing purity? KPN May 2016 #94

Tolerance of Democratic values yes, tolerance of neo-fascists, no, there is a limit. Dragonfli May 2016 #20

There aren't neo-fascists creeksneakers2 May 2016 #149

I don't think tolerance wins out anymore. bvf May 2016 #25

K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #13

I am 100% opposed to Republican politics. cheapdate May 2016 #17

plus 1! Lady Freedom Returns May 2016 #37

Well said! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #69

What you said. old guy May 2016 #80

A fighting chance to do what?! KPN May 2016 #97

A fighting chance to advance progressive policy, ideas, and legislation. cheapdate May 2016 #180

More drama creeksneakers2 May 2016 #30

When you stand for nothing, you are nothing. highprincipleswork May 2016 #33

When you stand for nothing, you are nothing. highprincipleswork May 2016 #35

Great! From now on You, Ken Burch, get to decide who is really a Democrat. redstateblues May 2016 #36

There is no issue that hasn't been thrown aside to promote Bernie BainsBane May 2016 #38

This thread isn't even about the Sanders vs. Clinton contest. Ken Burch May 2016 #44

I see BainsBane May 2016 #47

Party officials do favor "centrists"(we should just call them conservatives) Ken Burch May 2016 #49

Hillary has Goldman Sachs, and TPP, what she doesn't have is our backs! denbot May 2016 #46

She's not like Trump creeksneakers2 May 2016 #153

I argue that it's more important that they support most progressive policy positions rather than all Zynx May 2016 #48

I thought there was a forum for primary topics. RandySF May 2016 #58

amen...not looking forward to holding my nose in november dembotoz May 2016 #65

Or want it to stand for sensible best options whatthehey May 2016 #67

There are hundreds of issues, each with dozens of potential solutions FLPanhandle May 2016 #68

And on the flipside, Blue_Tires May 2016 #70

K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #75

The "Love it or leave it" wing of the party is very active this primary. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #78

Unbecoming Two Dimensional Thinking ProfessorGAC May 2016 #81

This belongs in GDP WhiteTara May 2016 #82

Great headline. Perfectly said. zentrum May 2016 #83

I cannot compromise with the Third Way. I was born in 1941 jwirr May 2016 #99

I'm seeing zentrum May 2016 #114

My friend says we will not be voting FOR her but against him. jwirr May 2016 #116

Yes. That's it. zentrum May 2016 #119

Those that support candidates w/ obviously troubling backgrounds just because of ideology stand for Renew Deal May 2016 #84

I put all the trolls on ignore, this site is SO much better now! Rex May 2016 #85

I may have to start doing that hueymahl May 2016 #87

Try it, never used it in all these years but it is great. Rex May 2016 #88

~This!~ yuiyoshida May 2016 #89

Exactly! In effect, it's tantamount to saying "sexism" WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #90

Irony is lost on you... joeybee12 May 2016 #92

The Party wants to move to the Right, because it is very lucrative to do so Maedhros May 2016 #98

"Purity tests?" You mean like calling a candidate unacceptable because... Nitram May 2016 #100

Oh, if that were the only reason! djean111 May 2016 #105

I am more upset about them accepting Reagonomics. nt Gore1FL May 2016 #106

I had a long reply to this post. Jakes Progress May 2016 #115

Another beltanefauve May 2016 #133

Watch who you call shallow. Jakes Progress May 2016 #185

That's not true at all anigbrowl May 2016 #121

Vote Blue, no matter who - that's the motto, right? Kittycat May 2016 #127

Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #172

Well said. nt Duval May 2016 #132

Partially why I've removed myself PatrynXX May 2016 #140

I agree 100%. RiverNoord May 2016 #143

As evidence: the number of DUers who HATED Clinton in 2008 but are now her biggest supporters arcane1 May 2016 #152

You want purity because your candidate demands it. Loki May 2016 #155

a party is an association of people for political purposes treestar May 2016 #158

unbelievable what i'm seeing and hearing on here. joedogs May 2016 #159

I hate Democrats blah blah blah. 3 million more votes 300 more pledged delegates leftofcool May 2016 #162

So Democrats stand for nothing and only care aboout electing Democrats Progressive dog May 2016 #165

Kicked and recommended! My party will stand for something. Enthusiast May 2016 #171

Re purity ..."Some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good." apcalc May 2016 #176

Get over yourself. wildeyed May 2016 #179

We've tried hard to broaden our base Ken Burch May 2016 #206

Then you live somewhere really blue and need to get out more wildeyed May 2016 #212

I absolutely agree with you on A, B, and C. Ken Burch May 2016 #214

Because YOUR OP indicates that you are entitled wildeyed May 2016 #223

Political parties are very much like religion. basselope May 2016 #192

A lot of them have worked for YEARS to get Wall Street's love..... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #195

I'm curious, how do you expect to change anything with Trump as Prez? AgadorSparticus May 2016 #197

I'm not personally "Bernie or bust". You've got me wrong there. Ken Burch May 2016 #205

I don't think that any person we put into the WH can really do much of anything until we getcontrol AgadorSparticus May 2016 #210

The Party stands for electing center right Democrats. merrily May 2016 #204

Ken Burch—It is Ds’ attempt to yield control. Actions speak louder than words.… CobaltBlue May 2016 #208

Purity tests are what right-wingers do. apnu May 2016 #211

maybe the best position would be somewhere between the two Skittles May 2016 #221

Some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good. apcalc May 2016 #226

Those that accuse this party of... Stand for nothing, loses argument. seabeyond May 2016 #227