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Karmasue

(95 posts)
69. I wish you were right...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:43 PM
Jun 2012

The very wealthy don't pay their fair share, and often pay less than we do.

The less you make, the less likely you are to be in a position to take advantage of the tax laws, which were written by tax lawyers - not economists - and tweaked by congressional representatives who respond to lobbyists, who represent big money and don't shy away from corruption.

The really lucrative tax breaks are not geared toward the average middle aged, married, working man or woman. They are not geared toward the young man or woman working to go to college, or teachers, or police officers, or firemen.

They were not written for the older person still working in order to survive, or on Social Security, or small pension. In fact many of those people don't even make enough to file a 1040 that includes a schedule A to get the benefit of even deducting a fraction (7%) of their medical costs. They get nothing but the exemption and single/married deduction.

So the cop with wife and 2 kids who makes $50,000 and rents (because he lost his house) pays tax on about $29K (after married ded and 4 exemptions of $21k). He gets no sched A because he has no mortgage so tax is around $3500. That's about 12% of his taxable income.

Many billionaires today only start with the wife and 2 kids at the same $21K ded/exempts. (It already seems askew doesn't it?) And they end up somewhere in the 1% bracket. One percent.

Now I grant you that one percent of a billion is a lot of money...but it is radically unfair taxation. Unfair not because he is wealthy, but because the cop's penny is a fair percentage of his income. Not so the 1 percenter.

In addition, the vast majority of the middle class either does their own return, or uses turbo tax or H&R Block, because they can't afford to hire the tax lawyers (remember who wrote these laws) of the very wealthy.

These are the lawyers/accountants who know, or find, all the deduction loopholes that the very wealthy use regularly that you and I can't use. And when they have used up all the legal schedule allowances, iffy deductions, and gray-area loopholes, they turn to more blatantly illicit maneuvers like off-shore accounts, hiding assets and outright illegal tax schemes.

I am not saying that because they are wealthy they all do these things. I am saying that they can do these things because they are wealthy enough to hire it done without guilt. They sign the completed tax return when their tax accountants/lawyers (who are getting a healthy fee) send it to them.

They either don't know...or don't want to know (because some are corrupt)...but it happens all the time - and by people you would never dream. Even Romney has his tax havens, and money shelters to avoid paying taxes. Yep...to avoid paying taxes. That is the ONLY reason to shelter money from the eyes of the treasury. That is the sole purpose of a tax haven.

Not because he is bad, but because he can.

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I've read a lot of anti union posts here today and not one post concerning unions has mentioned upaloopa Jun 2012 #7
Re union comments today - TBF Jun 2012 #26
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When the Dems went weak JackHughes Jun 2012 #61
Yup, agree 100% nt TBF Jun 2012 #63
Make no mistake after yesterday libtodeath Jun 2012 #4
I am reaching that point Cosmocat Jun 2012 #41
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That quote sums it up. harun Jun 2012 #62
And the reason behind voting against their best interest in support of those who SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #6
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #9
I suppose walker is correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #8
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There was plenty of money for Walker. AlbertCat Jun 2012 #11
Do The Karadashians Really Need More Stuff? zorahopkins Jun 2012 #12
Bring back the 90-percent top bracket. Octafish Jun 2012 #13
Also, end the loophole tax breaks for their corporations suffragette Jun 2012 #55
AIG is a racket. A protected racket. Octafish Jun 2012 #64
Very interesting read suffragette Jun 2012 #74
We also need to tax capital gains the same way we tax income. LongTomH Jun 2012 #56
Excellent idea, yours, LongTomH! Octafish Jun 2012 #65
stinky, you can't fix stupid pitohui Jun 2012 #14
Joe the Plumber syndrome JackHughes Jun 2012 #66
There WAS MONEY to bail out the BANKSTERS who put us into this Mess...but NOTHING KoKo Jun 2012 #15
You do know that there actually was no money quaker bill Jun 2012 #31
I want the marginal tax rates under Eisenhower duhneece Jun 2012 #16
beyond that, it is about a properly balanced economy Cosmocat Jun 2012 #43
What's a pension? Flatulo Jun 2012 #17
The other part of the equation is CEOs... lastlib Jun 2012 #18
Wall St CEO pay is up 20% this year Flatulo Jun 2012 #19
Yup, that's another very main point duhneece Jun 2012 #52
best interests mehrrh Jun 2012 #20
"It isn't about high costs. It is about insufficient revenue." Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #21
I remember little boot's obscene tax cuts newspeak Jun 2012 #77
Kick and rec! Fuddnik Jun 2012 #22
While the top .01% stiff us for more taxes AND the subsidy of their underpaid workers for food stamp ErikJ Jun 2012 #23
Boy Howdy you got THAT right! . . .n/t annabanana Jun 2012 #24
SHUT UP! SOME FUCKING DAY I AM GOING TO BE RICH. Hotler Jun 2012 #25
Teh Stoopid is amazing, isn't it? I don't think you can train a dog to bite off its own tail, but valerief Jun 2012 #27
"and then tax high wage earners commensurate amounts to support their burden on society." Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #28
You think twenty bucks an hour is a high wage earner? Stinky The Clown Jun 2012 #32
I wasn't sure what you meant Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #33
Billions a week for the wars. I would rather my taxes went to Medicare for All. Overseas Jun 2012 #29
Most people are so completely entrapped in an alternate universe that they don't even realize it n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2012 #30
But, But the point is quaker bill Jun 2012 #34
We should all be paying higher taxes... progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #35
I wish you were right... Karmasue Jun 2012 #69
Welcome to DU Tsiyu Jun 2012 #73
State Pensions lost on Wall St casino. Blame the public sector. ErikJ Jun 2012 #36
In order to produce the returns needed to fund the pension obligations, all Flatulo Jun 2012 #47
under jebbie newspeak Jun 2012 #78
"Job creators" Blecht Jun 2012 #37
Thank you for sharing. I think Nick Hanauer made a lot of sense. RickFromMN Jun 2012 #46
Oh, Republicans do make jobs. Flatulo Jun 2012 #75
The right wing media is doing its job well. DLevine Jun 2012 #38
I think the problem is this isn't the only big lie.... stevebreeze Jun 2012 #39
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A tipping point either... 99Forever Jun 2012 #44
Well said. Plus One. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #71
"insufficient revenue"...and there lies the problem. Bonhomme Richard Jun 2012 #45
You are so right! Talking to the wealthy and those protecting their wealth is snappyturtle Jun 2012 #48
K&R< K&R<K&R! Wouldn't you like to know Stinky, in dollars, how much snappyturtle Jun 2012 #49
California Proposition 13 (1978) NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #50
The Big Fucking Lie: that we value life. Orsino Jun 2012 #54
If we ever decide to revolt, Doctor_J Jun 2012 #57
Scott Walker is BARELY in office after the vote, now he's going to be incicted. DCKit Jun 2012 #58
Please explain to me what "barely in office" means Doctor_J Jun 2012 #68
America is mentally ill. n/t drdtroit Jun 2012 #59
Few bother to mention top the 2% will be paying only 4.6% more on taxable income over $250K! flpoljunkie Jun 2012 #60
of course it's about revenues stupidicus Jun 2012 #67
The right wing has done a great job of convincing people that they'll be millionaires. Initech Jun 2012 #72
A-FUCKING-MEN!!! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #76
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