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doc03

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52. I worked 40 plus years in a union shop the unions are only as corrupt as the people you elect to run
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

them. I thank god I worked in union shop I now have a decent pension and a excellent health care plan.

provocative statement 6chars May 2016 #1
But, if EVERYONE wants $30/hr, you pay it ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #3
Unions help but so does manufacturing 6chars May 2016 #27
In theory only these days. The OP is RIGHT! Hortensis May 2016 #62
Unions + manufacturing = Germany 6chars May 2016 #68
Yes. But should ONLY manufacturing jobs pay well? Hortensis May 2016 #69
not disagreeing at all 6chars May 2016 #70
Sorry, 6chars. Good point. My mind's in a Hortensis May 2016 #71
Service jobs are slated for globalization. Baobab May 2016 #93
Years ago when I could afford it arikara May 2016 #80
It is not simply a provocative statement - it is untrue. truedelphi May 2016 #35
Perhaps but here is the point: Jobs with union benefits. Hortensis May 2016 #64
Then why doesn't the Democrtic Neo Con Leadership actually say that? truedelphi May 2016 #103
I'm really sorry to hear how the Amazon-USPS deal Hortensis May 2016 #105
Good point dreamnightwind May 2016 #2
Half true ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #4
Mind numbing? Urchin May 2016 #8
And he runs screaming as he jumps off the cliff lunatica May 2016 #9
The cliff is all many of us have left scscholar May 2016 #54
OK, beside the main point though dreamnightwind May 2016 #18
Why is it that the German people and their government stubbornly kept their manufacturing truedelphi May 2016 #34
I'm curious, what mechanism do they use to prevent offshoring? dreamnightwind May 2016 #36
My guess is that they didn't pass trade agreements ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #58
Thats true, German unions are very strong so even with T1SA and T*IP coming they are Baobab May 2016 #94
Through the EU Germany has trade agreements with 19 countries in Central/South America, pampango May 2016 #98
Good post 6chars May 2016 #38
It's known that the more control and decision making you give a worker, passiveporcupine May 2016 #22
There's plenty of knowledge work that people naturally hate Urchin May 2016 #33
That's a good point LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #88
More Hillary Hate Cryptoad May 2016 #10
The people of Michigan disagree with you. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #20
Oh,,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #50
Did I say Hillary? Just like I didnt want a second Bush, ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #51
No u,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #79
Was the "Asian counterpart" in Canada or Mexico? n/t tammywammy May 2016 #85
When Bill Clinton used tax payer dollars to help companies move jobs overseas Mnpaul May 2016 #28
Absolutely. How people could have lived through Hortensis May 2016 #42
Mind-numbing jobs marle35 May 2016 #16
Yes, automation is coming rapidly dreamnightwind May 2016 #19
Are you aware Mnpaul May 2016 #29
Think it will stay that way? dreamnightwind May 2016 #31
I don't expect it to accelerate that much in manufacturing Mnpaul May 2016 #32
I think you're missing the big picture re the coming wave of automation dreamnightwind May 2016 #37
I've worked in manufacturing for almost 40 years Mnpaul May 2016 #41
I think I found it dreamnightwind May 2016 #43
I looked into this claim before Mnpaul May 2016 #45
No surprise that the neoliberals at Brookings love it dreamnightwind May 2016 #46
I don't see it as a political issue Mnpaul May 2016 #48
Well you're personally entirely invested in this industry dreamnightwind May 2016 #49
Yup La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #5
Good point. Manufacturing jobs have declined everywhere but progressive countries have strong unions pampango May 2016 #6
Since unions have been squashed... Thespian2 May 2016 #7
Bingo and for exactly all the reasons you stated. marble falls May 2016 #11
Well, agreements like NAFTA, MFN for China and TPP Kall May 2016 #12
+10. Didn't work out so well afterall...drip, drip.. appalachiablue May 2016 #14
None of that is the real problem. Progressive countries all belong to the WTO (MFN for China), pampango May 2016 #24
Most of the European countries have had a shortage of labor 1939 May 2016 #25
Immigrants are 13% of the US population, 16% in Sweden, 13% in Germany, pampango May 2016 #30
How does a union stop offshoring? dreamnightwind May 2016 #40
That would be a good question to ask unions in Sweden and Germany where they are very strong pampango May 2016 #44
OK, but what keeps German, or Swedish, companies from moving jobs to China or other such? - eom dreamnightwind May 2016 #100
Our imports from China are 2.6% of our economy. In Germany it is 2.4% so they probably pampango May 2016 #101
I have almost nothing but disdain for unions taught_me_patience May 2016 #13
I wish I was represented by a union now. Denis 11 May 2016 #47
Well, gee. That doesn't sound good at all. Hortensis May 2016 #65
The trend is awful especially in private sector employment Denis 11 May 2016 #73
I disagree. The trend is AWFUL. :) Hortensis May 2016 #74
The shop I work in failed to join the teamsters last year. Denis 11 May 2016 #75
It is a shame you weren't there, but since it Hortensis May 2016 #82
I lived through the period when the unions were most powerful, in the 50s through 70s..... dmosh42 May 2016 #81
I worked 40 plus years in a union shop the unions are only as corrupt as the people you elect to run doc03 May 2016 #52
Good input, doc03. Hortensis May 2016 #66
I think you know little about unions or the history of labor. kwassa May 2016 #99
I work in a Teamster-unionized factory. It's nothing glamorous, and often horribly stressful work NickB79 May 2016 #15
You're correct. I had one during college, it was toxic and horrible. Anyone making less than diane in sf May 2016 #17
K&R zentrum May 2016 #21
+1000. NT wcast May 2016 #23
This was probably written by someone Mnpaul May 2016 #26
+1 n/t Alkene May 2016 #72
There will be Unions when swale44 May 2016 #39
Manufacturing jobs that moved away today will be nothing like those that might move back. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #53
Wonderful point! snot May 2016 #55
Manufacturing jobs are vital for the economic wealth of a country. AdHocSolver May 2016 #56
No union has leverage when these 'free' trade agreements allow their jobs to be shipped overseas. nt w4rma May 2016 #57
Yes, there IS something special about manufacturing jobs! they are inherently more profitable TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #59
But we manufacture a lot in the US. More than at any point in the past Recursion May 2016 #60
total manufacturing may or may not be up; population definitely is, so show me some per capita TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #91
Of course many of us realize it. Manufacturing is one of Hortensis May 2016 #67
your quote says there's nothing special about manufacturing jobs. i disagree. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #89
No, I said that is not the point. Hortensis May 2016 #90
it's not either/or !! we need manufacturing AND unions, as i alluded to. good evening. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #92
Poor Wages Send a Third of US Manufacturing Workers to Welfare Lines in Order to Pay for-- eridani May 2016 #61
duh. why reagan is still god to the GOP. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #63
Was Reagan the most powerful POTUS ever? MichMan May 2016 #76
Ronnie Raygun saidsimplesimon May 2016 #78
It's a perception issue. This is one of my favorite topics so PM me if you want to hear more. stevenleser May 2016 #97
Thanks for the reply MichMan May 2016 #102
thank you for sharing this saidsimplesimon May 2016 #77
“Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back” fleabiscuit May 2016 #83
Sadly, my husband's union (Bakers) is worse than useless locally. librechik May 2016 #84
BINGO! Make America "Union" Again! Hekate May 2016 #86
One of the "problems" of the modern world is that "full" employment PufPuf23 May 2016 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #95
Kick sarcasmo May 2016 #96
K & R. Great post! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #104
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