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pampango

(24,692 posts)
27. An affinity for 'strict father' authoritarianism - it's not just for conservatives anymore.
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016
In the strict father family, father knows best. He knows right from wrong and has the ultimate authority to make sure his children and his spouse do what he says, which is taken to be what is right. Many conservative spouses accept this worldview, uphold the father’s authority, and are strict in those realms of family life that they are in charge of. When his children disobey, it is his moral duty to punish them painfully enough so that, to avoid punishment, they will obey him (do what is right) and not just do what feels good.

The strict father logic extends further. The basic idea is that authority is justified by morality (the strict father version), and that, in a well-ordered world, there should be (and traditionally has been) a moral hierarchy in which those who have traditionally dominated should dominate. The hierarchy is: God above Man, Man above Nature, The Disciplined (Strong) above the Undisciplined (Weak), The Rich above the Poor, Employers above Employees, Adults above Children, Western culture above other cultures, Our Country above other countries. The hierarchy extends to: Men above women, Whites above Non-whites, Christians above non-Christians, Straights above Gays.

Pragmatic conservatives, on the other hand, may not have a religious orientation at all. Instead, they may care primarily about their own personal authority, not the authority of the church or Christ, or God. They want to be strict fathers in their own domains, with authority primarily over their own lives. Thus, a young, unmarried conservative — male or female —may want to have sex without worrying about marriage. They may need access to contraception, advice about sexually transmitted diseases, information about cervical cancer, and so on. And if a girl or woman becomes pregnant and there is no possibility or desire for marriage, abortion may be necessary. Trump is a pragmatic conservative, par excellence. And he knows that there are a lot of Republican voters who are like him in their pragmatism.

There are at least tens of millions of conservatives in America who share strict father morality and its moral hierarchy. Many of them are poor or middle class and many are white men who see themselves as superior to immigrants, non-whites, women, non-Christians, gays — and people who rely on public assistance. In other words, they are what liberals would call “bigots.”

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For too many, Gaddafi was a 'strict father' who know best what is good for us and will punish us if we don't listen.
Silence! Quick, somebody call Catherina, wherever she is! Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #1
Are you saying Ghaddafi wasn't a great guy? Redwoods Red May 2016 #2
He was a racist, a brutal tyrant and a supporter of international terrorism and assassinations. DetlefK May 2016 #3
So you're saying Reagan was justified in his attacks? egalitegirl May 2016 #5
Yes. How about you? Do you wish Gaddafi was still in power? Yes or No? DetlefK May 2016 #6
Not my country. How about you? Are you happy to see Libya in pieces? Redwoods Red May 2016 #8
Quid pro quo: I answer your question, you answer mine. I go first. DetlefK May 2016 #15
So you use RW talking points egalitegirl May 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #23
You won't hear anything back. This is the same poster COLGATE4 May 2016 #29
I would've preferred we don't engage in forcing regime change Matrosov May 2016 #19
There was a revolution. He threatened to slaughter an entire city. Zynx May 2016 #36
And we took him our exactly as PNAC planned. WDIM May 2016 #4
Do you wish Gaddafi was still in power? Yes or No? How about the Taliban and Saddam Hussein? DetlefK May 2016 #7
Are you cheerleading Bush's imperial wars now? Redwoods Red May 2016 #9
Are you f**king seriously saying that dictatorship is better than democracy??? DetlefK May 2016 #12
Libya is a failed state, not even close to a functioning democracy cali May 2016 #14
If Gaddafi were still in power, there wouldn't even be the OPPORTUNITY for democracy. DetlefK May 2016 #16
Omg. Never mind cali May 2016 #18
You are clueless about the truth egalitegirl May 2016 #22
I don't give a flying fuck about "truth". I only care about verifiable facts. DetlefK May 2016 #24
No you sure as Fuck don't. You wallow in subjective "truth" cali May 2016 #30
Al Qaeda was active in 1998 in the embassy bombings egalitegirl May 2016 #33
I am against all forms of tyranny WDIM May 2016 #35
The most recent cite is 1987 - 29 years ago arendt May 2016 #10
Yeah. Unlike that other OP that praised Gaddafi's regime as paradise on Earth. DetlefK May 2016 #13
Deflection. I don't even know what you are referring to. arendt May 2016 #17
Oh, come on!!! You are also into conspiracy-theories? DetlefK May 2016 #28
You get to decide what is important? arendt May 2016 #31
One of the more interesting stories is Libya financing an African telecom satellite. Jesus Malverde May 2016 #34
I was the poster of that other OP that turned into a honey trap of sorts for folks like you. PufPuf23 May 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #39
Off topic. Irrelevant. Hypothetical hitjob. arendt May 2016 #41
Using your standard on your own argument isn't "off-topic," but such tactics probably work on Reddit IamMab May 2016 #42
Vague (non-existent) counter-"argument". you got nothing. arendt May 2016 #43
Aaaand now you're just projecting your own issues at me. No thanks! nt IamMab May 2016 #44
Wordgames. No engagement. Reduced to yelling "projection". Goodbye. arendt May 2016 #45
"No engangement" From the person replying entirely through titles. ROFL #moreprojection IamMab May 2016 #46
You really need to read a little deeper than Wikipedia cali May 2016 #11
I have a serious question. Zynx May 2016 #38
kick for truth Blue_Tires May 2016 #21
K&R mcar May 2016 #25
KNR joeybee12 May 2016 #26
An affinity for 'strict father' authoritarianism - it's not just for conservatives anymore. pampango May 2016 #27
Never has been. Igel May 2016 #32
Stop bringing this up. runaway hero May 2016 #37
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