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94. The word "fashion" was mentioned so I was referring the world of fashion,

Sat May 14, 2016, 03:27 PM

May 2016

not cultural dress. You are, of course, correct when you mention middle eastern oppression of women regarding attire.

My mention of white males was regarding the fashion industry and the advertising industry that accompanies it. Most people running both of those when these "standards" such as high heels were implemented were white males.

And if you think advertising and the fashion world doesn't affect what a woman/girl (girls are where these impressions start) chooses and gives them body issues and low self-esteem you must think advertising and marketing doesn't work. In which case you would either be wrong or there are a lot of stupid people spending billions on advertising and PR campaigns for nothing.

It is a fact that white males tend to be the oppressors in general as they are the ones usually in power, again, especially when these fashions began but still today, in western cultures, of course.

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A London receptionist refused to wear heels and was dismissed from her job. Now she�s petitioning... [View all] Eugene May 2016 OP

Meh. Agree to the dress code then complain about it? bunnies May 2016 #1

Meh. Did you see what they were asking her to do? yellowcanine May 2016 #4

Ive had jobs that required being on my feet in heels. bunnies May 2016 #9

Her action resulted in change. They dropped the policy. yellowcanine May 2016 #21

Thats good then. bunnies May 2016 #22

I'd love companies to change the dress code for men to yeoman6987 May 2016 #33

Does a tie actually endanger your health MattBaggins May 2016 #59

It does make the body heat rise but you know that already. yeoman6987 May 2016 #66

We men do like to find the smallest oppression possible and pretend it's equivalent. LanternWaste May 2016 #93

Yes it can. -none May 2016 #71

Wearing a tie may be physically uncomfortable during the duration one wears it etherealtruth May 2016 #91

It is a big deal for many women. Ilsa May 2016 #83

Meh. Bullshit. Dress codes should not be injurious to health or demeaning cali May 2016 #5

I worked at a bar that required low cut shirts. bunnies May 2016 #10

That is entirely different cali May 2016 #26

Can low cut shirts damage your back? yellowcanine May 2016 #28

No. Just your self-worth. nt bunnies May 2016 #31

How did your feet feel at the end of your shift? Feet and breasts are two different things. valerief May 2016 #78

The post I responded to referenced dress codes that were demeaning. bunnies May 2016 #92

Agreed tammywammy May 2016 #23

Yep. Heels are for decoration. They are not meant for standing for hours on end or lots of walking. kcr May 2016 #87

What? They attacked her for being a woman scscholar May 2016 #34

Attacked her? What? nt bunnies May 2016 #35

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There are a lot of people posting this kind of thing here these days. SalviaBlue May 2016 #64

I've noticed. That's why I find myself avoiding the place more and more. Crunchy Frog May 2016 #95

You seem to have snide and dismissive down pretty well yourself. nt bunnies May 2016 #74

Take it as a positive. It's another (your noun here) to put on Ignore. I am. nt valerief May 2016 #79

Heh. The company collapsed like a house of cards in a breeze. yellowcanine May 2016 #2

I suspect if anyone notices her it won't be beneficial Egnever May 2016 #13

Where did she tell her employer "how to run their business"? cui bono May 2016 #29

There is no right to accept a job with a dress code Egnever May 2016 #37

You are completely incorrect MattBaggins May 2016 #61

Right, but that's hardly telling them how to run their business. cui bono May 2016 #63

Big difference between fighting for better conditions Egnever May 2016 #69

Whenever anyone takes a job they make an agreement. So your argument is stating that one can cui bono May 2016 #88

It's your right to think workers don't have rights kcr May 2016 #84

A lot of people agree Donald trump would make a great president. Egnever May 2016 #85

A lot of Trump supporters wouldn't know a picket line if it hit them in the face. kcr May 2016 #86

Um... Orrex May 2016 #36

"an entry level employee" yellowcanine May 2016 #48

Actually, I'm not blaming her. She's the whistleblower. Orrex May 2016 #73

Clearly that finance company hires receptionists to add the bjo59 May 2016 #3

"public-school-boy thing" So men from private schools are not smirking sexists? yellowcanine May 2016 #7

In Britain Public Schools ARE private schools whatthehey May 2016 #11

In England 1939 May 2016 #12

Actually, I could be wrong but in the UK "public school" is what we call smirkymonkey May 2016 #14

Even so, still not good to stereotype that way? yellowcanine May 2016 #18

The Donald and george W bush are the stereotypical examples in the US. IF the stereotype fits wear Vincardog May 2016 #32

Ah well, some think Sidwell Friends is "elite" also...... yellowcanine May 2016 #39

You might want to ask bjo59 Vincardog May 2016 #40

Those heels are gonna make a lot women JustAnotherGen May 2016 #6

Exactly so. I knew a woman whose toes were twisted into a point from years suffragette May 2016 #17

Is her employer is the temp agency or the finance company? Orrex May 2016 #8

Well said Egnever May 2016 #15

She did not claim immunity. She just wants it changed. yellowcanine May 2016 #16

Wait so you sign a dress code then ignore it and that is the company's fault? Egnever May 2016 #19

Yes and pretty soon people will be working naked! yellowcanine May 2016 #25

People actually ARE working naked - in Times Square, for one. closeupready May 2016 #68

I agree--it should be changed. Orrex May 2016 #24

Good points with a couple of caveats yellowcanine May 2016 #38

I agree that that *is* an issue to be addressed. Orrex May 2016 #42

I doubt that OSHA safety standards would ban 2 inch heels. yellowcanine May 2016 #44

A dress item that endangers ones health is not legally permissive MattBaggins May 2016 #62

About time malaise May 2016 #20

She has already won, in a sense. yellowcanine May 2016 #41

Another woman tax. WhiteTara May 2016 #27

Yes, men obviously have far more freedom in corporate dress codes than women whatthehey May 2016 #43

That's not what this is about. DLevine May 2016 #45

Exactly. What people are missing is that high heels are not healthy. yellowcanine May 2016 #49

Sure, but the post I responded to raised an expanded issue whatthehey May 2016 #50

I'll trade you my high heels for your necktie mainer May 2016 #51

Sounds kinky. How's Tuesday? jberryhill May 2016 #52

High heel regs are rare enough to generate news articles, and fleeting enough whatthehey May 2016 #60

It's a bit more complicated Major Nikon May 2016 #82

Ladies - I am totally baffled by the resurgance of high heels. They were popular when I was younger jonno99 May 2016 #30

Was this dress code put in place by male managers? mainer May 2016 #47

HR usually comes up with these policies whatthehey May 2016 #53

No, I don't blame it on the women. But then again this story is the first I can jonno99 May 2016 #54

"Sex And The City". closeupready May 2016 #67

Makes as much sense as anything else. I don't recall Carrie ever "falling off" her heels - jonno99 May 2016 #72

High heels have never gone away. You might have not been in a high-heels milieu. WinkyDink May 2016 #70

High heels are instruments of torture. mainer May 2016 #46

And discriminatory if they said only their female employees needed to smoke TDale313 May 2016 #58

High heel accident statistics mainer May 2016 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author WillowTree May 2016 #56

Image if I had worn 4 inch heels in my civilian police uniform behind bullet proof glass Omaha Steve May 2016 #65

Most women wear them so that they will appear taller...and its about fashion davidn3600 May 2016 #75

She didn't care about appearing taller, she wanted to be comfortable and without injury. cui bono May 2016 #89

Actually I meant to post that under one of the above responses asking why davidn3600 May 2016 #90

The word "fashion" was mentioned so I was referring the world of fashion, cui bono May 2016 #94

I'd like to see the men who are responsible for that dress code SheilaT May 2016 #76

She probably didn't wear her push-up bra and low-cut blouse either. Fuckin' assholes. nt valerief May 2016 #77

Good grief A Little Weird May 2016 #80

Some jobs have a silent code of conduct and dress. AgadorSparticus May 2016 #81