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MichMan

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102. Thanks for the reply
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016

That makes sense, but the price of oil had nothing to do with Reagan decimating the union movement thus ruining the middle class.

Why couldn't succeeding presidents have reversed those policies that were so damaging in the 30 years afterwards?

provocative statement 6chars May 2016 #1
But, if EVERYONE wants $30/hr, you pay it ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #3
Unions help but so does manufacturing 6chars May 2016 #27
In theory only these days. The OP is RIGHT! Hortensis May 2016 #62
Unions + manufacturing = Germany 6chars May 2016 #68
Yes. But should ONLY manufacturing jobs pay well? Hortensis May 2016 #69
not disagreeing at all 6chars May 2016 #70
Sorry, 6chars. Good point. My mind's in a Hortensis May 2016 #71
Service jobs are slated for globalization. Baobab May 2016 #93
Years ago when I could afford it arikara May 2016 #80
It is not simply a provocative statement - it is untrue. truedelphi May 2016 #35
Perhaps but here is the point: Jobs with union benefits. Hortensis May 2016 #64
Then why doesn't the Democrtic Neo Con Leadership actually say that? truedelphi May 2016 #103
I'm really sorry to hear how the Amazon-USPS deal Hortensis May 2016 #105
Good point dreamnightwind May 2016 #2
Half true ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #4
Mind numbing? Urchin May 2016 #8
And he runs screaming as he jumps off the cliff lunatica May 2016 #9
The cliff is all many of us have left scscholar May 2016 #54
OK, beside the main point though dreamnightwind May 2016 #18
Why is it that the German people and their government stubbornly kept their manufacturing truedelphi May 2016 #34
I'm curious, what mechanism do they use to prevent offshoring? dreamnightwind May 2016 #36
My guess is that they didn't pass trade agreements ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #58
Thats true, German unions are very strong so even with T1SA and T*IP coming they are Baobab May 2016 #94
Through the EU Germany has trade agreements with 19 countries in Central/South America, pampango May 2016 #98
Good post 6chars May 2016 #38
It's known that the more control and decision making you give a worker, passiveporcupine May 2016 #22
There's plenty of knowledge work that people naturally hate Urchin May 2016 #33
That's a good point LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #88
More Hillary Hate Cryptoad May 2016 #10
The people of Michigan disagree with you. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #20
Oh,,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #50
Did I say Hillary? Just like I didnt want a second Bush, ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #51
No u,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #79
Was the "Asian counterpart" in Canada or Mexico? n/t tammywammy May 2016 #85
When Bill Clinton used tax payer dollars to help companies move jobs overseas Mnpaul May 2016 #28
Absolutely. How people could have lived through Hortensis May 2016 #42
Mind-numbing jobs marle35 May 2016 #16
Yes, automation is coming rapidly dreamnightwind May 2016 #19
Are you aware Mnpaul May 2016 #29
Think it will stay that way? dreamnightwind May 2016 #31
I don't expect it to accelerate that much in manufacturing Mnpaul May 2016 #32
I think you're missing the big picture re the coming wave of automation dreamnightwind May 2016 #37
I've worked in manufacturing for almost 40 years Mnpaul May 2016 #41
I think I found it dreamnightwind May 2016 #43
I looked into this claim before Mnpaul May 2016 #45
No surprise that the neoliberals at Brookings love it dreamnightwind May 2016 #46
I don't see it as a political issue Mnpaul May 2016 #48
Well you're personally entirely invested in this industry dreamnightwind May 2016 #49
Yup La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #5
Good point. Manufacturing jobs have declined everywhere but progressive countries have strong unions pampango May 2016 #6
Since unions have been squashed... Thespian2 May 2016 #7
Bingo and for exactly all the reasons you stated. marble falls May 2016 #11
Well, agreements like NAFTA, MFN for China and TPP Kall May 2016 #12
+10. Didn't work out so well afterall...drip, drip.. appalachiablue May 2016 #14
None of that is the real problem. Progressive countries all belong to the WTO (MFN for China), pampango May 2016 #24
Most of the European countries have had a shortage of labor 1939 May 2016 #25
Immigrants are 13% of the US population, 16% in Sweden, 13% in Germany, pampango May 2016 #30
How does a union stop offshoring? dreamnightwind May 2016 #40
That would be a good question to ask unions in Sweden and Germany where they are very strong pampango May 2016 #44
OK, but what keeps German, or Swedish, companies from moving jobs to China or other such? - eom dreamnightwind May 2016 #100
Our imports from China are 2.6% of our economy. In Germany it is 2.4% so they probably pampango May 2016 #101
I have almost nothing but disdain for unions taught_me_patience May 2016 #13
I wish I was represented by a union now. Denis 11 May 2016 #47
Well, gee. That doesn't sound good at all. Hortensis May 2016 #65
The trend is awful especially in private sector employment Denis 11 May 2016 #73
I disagree. The trend is AWFUL. :) Hortensis May 2016 #74
The shop I work in failed to join the teamsters last year. Denis 11 May 2016 #75
It is a shame you weren't there, but since it Hortensis May 2016 #82
I lived through the period when the unions were most powerful, in the 50s through 70s..... dmosh42 May 2016 #81
I worked 40 plus years in a union shop the unions are only as corrupt as the people you elect to run doc03 May 2016 #52
Good input, doc03. Hortensis May 2016 #66
I think you know little about unions or the history of labor. kwassa May 2016 #99
I work in a Teamster-unionized factory. It's nothing glamorous, and often horribly stressful work NickB79 May 2016 #15
You're correct. I had one during college, it was toxic and horrible. Anyone making less than diane in sf May 2016 #17
K&R zentrum May 2016 #21
+1000. NT wcast May 2016 #23
This was probably written by someone Mnpaul May 2016 #26
+1 n/t Alkene May 2016 #72
There will be Unions when swale44 May 2016 #39
Manufacturing jobs that moved away today will be nothing like those that might move back. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #53
Wonderful point! snot May 2016 #55
Manufacturing jobs are vital for the economic wealth of a country. AdHocSolver May 2016 #56
No union has leverage when these 'free' trade agreements allow their jobs to be shipped overseas. nt w4rma May 2016 #57
Yes, there IS something special about manufacturing jobs! they are inherently more profitable TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #59
But we manufacture a lot in the US. More than at any point in the past Recursion May 2016 #60
total manufacturing may or may not be up; population definitely is, so show me some per capita TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #91
Of course many of us realize it. Manufacturing is one of Hortensis May 2016 #67
your quote says there's nothing special about manufacturing jobs. i disagree. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #89
No, I said that is not the point. Hortensis May 2016 #90
it's not either/or !! we need manufacturing AND unions, as i alluded to. good evening. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #92
Poor Wages Send a Third of US Manufacturing Workers to Welfare Lines in Order to Pay for-- eridani May 2016 #61
duh. why reagan is still god to the GOP. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #63
Was Reagan the most powerful POTUS ever? MichMan May 2016 #76
Ronnie Raygun saidsimplesimon May 2016 #78
It's a perception issue. This is one of my favorite topics so PM me if you want to hear more. stevenleser May 2016 #97
Thanks for the reply MichMan May 2016 #102
thank you for sharing this saidsimplesimon May 2016 #77
“Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back” fleabiscuit May 2016 #83
Sadly, my husband's union (Bakers) is worse than useless locally. librechik May 2016 #84
BINGO! Make America "Union" Again! Hekate May 2016 #86
One of the "problems" of the modern world is that "full" employment PufPuf23 May 2016 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #95
Kick sarcasmo May 2016 #96
K & R. Great post! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #104
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