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PufPuf23

(8,896 posts)
40. I was the poster of that other OP that turned into a honey trap of sorts for folks like you.
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

The thread was about the intervention and the damage caused by the intervention to the common people and nation of Libya.

The Libya (and Gadaffi to a lesser extent) post 2001 was a modernizing nation.

I never praised Gadaffi nor claimed Libya under Gadaffi was paradise on Earth.

Western nations provided arms and covert support to radical Islamic rebels and destabilized Libya.

We established a "no fly zone" for "humanitarian" reasons and bombed the hell out of Libya including civilian infrastructure, the bombing was way beyond "humanitarian" and was obviously to dispose of Gadaffi for regime change.

Good Democrats and long term DUers added much good background to that OP thread if one takes the time to read.

From the State Department website:

Speaking of the breadth of Gaddafi’s record, that ought to resist simplistic, revisionist reduction, some might care to note that even now, the U.S. State Department’s webpage on Libya still points to a Library of Congress Country Study on Libya that features some of the Gaddafi government’s many social welfare achievements over the years in the areas of medical care, public housing, and education. In addition, Libyans have the highest literacy rate in Africa (see UNDP, p. 171) and Libya is the only continental African nation to rank “high” in the UNDP’s Human Development Index. Even the BBC recognized these achievements:


“Women in Libya are free to work and to dress as they like, subject to family constraints. Life expectancy is in the seventies. And per capita income—while not as high as could be expected given Libya’s oil wealth and relatively small population of 6.5m—is estimated at $12,000 (£9,000), according to the World Bank. Illiteracy has been almost wiped out, as has homelessness—a chronic problem in the pre-Gaddafi era, where corrugated iron shacks dotted many urban centres around the country”.

I had deliberately avoided mentioning Hillary Clinton's role in Libya previously in that thread.

So here is another interesting link: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/

The New Year’s Eve release of over 3,000 new Hillary Clinton emails from the State Department has CNN abuzz over gossipy text messages, the “who gets to ride with Hillary” selection process set up by her staff, and how a “cute” Hillary photo fared on Facebook.

But historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency

Silence! Quick, somebody call Catherina, wherever she is! Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #1
Are you saying Ghaddafi wasn't a great guy? Redwoods Red May 2016 #2
He was a racist, a brutal tyrant and a supporter of international terrorism and assassinations. DetlefK May 2016 #3
So you're saying Reagan was justified in his attacks? egalitegirl May 2016 #5
Yes. How about you? Do you wish Gaddafi was still in power? Yes or No? DetlefK May 2016 #6
Not my country. How about you? Are you happy to see Libya in pieces? Redwoods Red May 2016 #8
Quid pro quo: I answer your question, you answer mine. I go first. DetlefK May 2016 #15
So you use RW talking points egalitegirl May 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #23
You won't hear anything back. This is the same poster COLGATE4 May 2016 #29
I would've preferred we don't engage in forcing regime change Matrosov May 2016 #19
There was a revolution. He threatened to slaughter an entire city. Zynx May 2016 #36
And we took him our exactly as PNAC planned. WDIM May 2016 #4
Do you wish Gaddafi was still in power? Yes or No? How about the Taliban and Saddam Hussein? DetlefK May 2016 #7
Are you cheerleading Bush's imperial wars now? Redwoods Red May 2016 #9
Are you f**king seriously saying that dictatorship is better than democracy??? DetlefK May 2016 #12
Libya is a failed state, not even close to a functioning democracy cali May 2016 #14
If Gaddafi were still in power, there wouldn't even be the OPPORTUNITY for democracy. DetlefK May 2016 #16
Omg. Never mind cali May 2016 #18
You are clueless about the truth egalitegirl May 2016 #22
I don't give a flying fuck about "truth". I only care about verifiable facts. DetlefK May 2016 #24
No you sure as Fuck don't. You wallow in subjective "truth" cali May 2016 #30
Al Qaeda was active in 1998 in the embassy bombings egalitegirl May 2016 #33
I am against all forms of tyranny WDIM May 2016 #35
The most recent cite is 1987 - 29 years ago arendt May 2016 #10
Yeah. Unlike that other OP that praised Gaddafi's regime as paradise on Earth. DetlefK May 2016 #13
Deflection. I don't even know what you are referring to. arendt May 2016 #17
Oh, come on!!! You are also into conspiracy-theories? DetlefK May 2016 #28
You get to decide what is important? arendt May 2016 #31
One of the more interesting stories is Libya financing an African telecom satellite. Jesus Malverde May 2016 #34
I was the poster of that other OP that turned into a honey trap of sorts for folks like you. PufPuf23 May 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #39
Off topic. Irrelevant. Hypothetical hitjob. arendt May 2016 #41
Using your standard on your own argument isn't "off-topic," but such tactics probably work on Reddit IamMab May 2016 #42
Vague (non-existent) counter-"argument". you got nothing. arendt May 2016 #43
Aaaand now you're just projecting your own issues at me. No thanks! nt IamMab May 2016 #44
Wordgames. No engagement. Reduced to yelling "projection". Goodbye. arendt May 2016 #45
"No engangement" From the person replying entirely through titles. ROFL #moreprojection IamMab May 2016 #46
You really need to read a little deeper than Wikipedia cali May 2016 #11
I have a serious question. Zynx May 2016 #38
kick for truth Blue_Tires May 2016 #21
K&R mcar May 2016 #25
KNR joeybee12 May 2016 #26
An affinity for 'strict father' authoritarianism - it's not just for conservatives anymore. pampango May 2016 #27
Never has been. Igel May 2016 #32
Stop bringing this up. runaway hero May 2016 #37
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