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hill2016

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Mon May 16, 2016, 12:31 AM May 2016

The insurance companies are pulling out of ACA as they are losing lots of money. Don't blame them [View all]

for raising premiums.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/insurers-losses-deepened-on-aca-plans-in-2015-1463356176

Many insurers have lost money on the Affordable Care Act plans they sell to consumers. A new analysis shows how much those losses deepened in 2015, the second year of the law’s signature exchanges.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/19/unitedhealth-group-to-exit-obamacare-exchanges-in-all-but-a-handful-of-states/


UnitedHealth Group, the nation's largest health insurer, said Tuesday that in 2017 it will exit most of the 34 states where it offers plans on the Affordable Care Act insurance exchanges.


Ultimately it boils down to:
(1) young healthy millennials are not signing up enough to offset the sicker older patients
(2) lots of people are gaming the system (paying premiums only when they need treatment, stopping after) and abusing the life events.
(3) Medical costs of those who use medical treatments have been higher than expected


At the end of the day, premiums collected have to cover medical costs incurred. Hence either (1) premiums increase on everybody (2) more people pay in (restricting enrollment outside the open enrollment period, increasing the tax/penalty) (3) more cost-shifting to those who are using medical treatments (deductibles, co-pays, coinsurance etc.).

This is maths and reality.


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um, pharma price gouging? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #1
um not at all hill2016 May 2016 #4
Most of it goes to pmorlan1 May 2016 #18
'Insurance' itself not viable, sounds like. elleng May 2016 #2
+1. Why are they in the middle of this anyway? nt bemildred May 2016 #21
Screw the insurance companies, they've screwed the people long enough anyway. If they are shraby May 2016 #3
well hill2016 May 2016 #5
Any CEO salary cuts? Downwinder May 2016 #6
No they get a raise Txbluedog May 2016 #8
Humana has 20 million memebers Travis_0004 May 2016 #24
They were represented at the table when the deal was cut. Downwinder May 2016 #25
But does an insurance CEO earn his money My Good Babushka May 2016 #27
AHIP Lobbyist? pmorlan1 May 2016 #17
My FIL was a VP at several insuance companies... haele May 2016 #40
Let them all go out of business and force Medicare for Lint Head May 2016 #7
Let them all go out of business TexasTowelie May 2016 #34
For-profit insurance is not viable in the area of health care. truebluegreen May 2016 #9
Exactly. silverweb May 2016 #13
+1 leeroysphitz May 2016 #31
In the last three months 1939 May 2016 #36
That is what I said: the insurance model is not sustainable. truebluegreen May 2016 #37
Which states are some of them exiting from? My suspicion is those states that never expanded still_one May 2016 #10
Insurance companies are leaving CA. former9thward May 2016 #11
Whats the date on this article. Why is it okieinpain May 2016 #14
That article is dated 2013? Canesfan May 2016 #20
the United Healthcare argument is wrong and not representative CreekDog May 2016 #12
^^^This^^^ ProfessorGAC May 2016 #33
This was inevitable. Socal31 May 2016 #15
AHIP pmorlan1 May 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #19
A Hillary Supporter speaks. Katashi_itto May 2016 #22
I would like a study of how many people suffered My Good Babushka May 2016 #23
Medicare for All is the only answer. A strong public option would have lead to it naturally. merrily May 2016 #26
Clearly we need single payer pengu May 2016 #28
Yes, CLEARLY we do SmittynMo May 2016 #29
You and me both :( pengu May 2016 #30
Won't happen. Not under Clinton and all her 1 percent Insurance company CEO buddies. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #32
Oh well. Nothing we can do about it, right? vi5 May 2016 #35
The revolution will not be comfortable. RadiationTherapy May 2016 #38
Don't blame them, nationalize them! hunter May 2016 #39
Not surprised. Xolodno May 2016 #41
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