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Whiskeytide

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79. Look - I'm with you in spirit ...

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:27 AM

May 2016

... and principle - but I'm having difficulty reconciling any suggestion that true progressives stay home or vote third party candidates in Nov.

That WILL help facilitate a Trump victory. Even if you are in a safe state where your individual vote won't necessarily matter either way, the simple fact that people advocate such a tactic may influence others who are in a position to cast very meaningful votes. That causes me genuine concern.

I suspect this general will be closer than any here predict. Every vote will count. Any call for progressives to abandon the party in Nov could have very real and very catastrophic consequences for many Americans who are least able to endure them.

I don't buy the "purity" argument, or the "we get what we deserve" argument, when the well being of others is as stake. The election parameters are what they are - no matter how we might wish or imagine otherwise- and helping the conservative cause, even indirectly, seems to lack compassion.

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People who want Trump to win the GE in order to "Bring on the Revolution" are no different than... [View all] Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 OP

...people who want a military draft to "bring on the revolution". stone space May 2016 #1

So you support the industrial military complex? KPN May 2016 #32

From folks rebelling against a Trump Presidency or a Draft? stone space May 2016 #44

From your post. KPN May 2016 #45

Ah...I see...yes, you misunderstood. stone space May 2016 #49

I guess my bad then. But ... KPN May 2016 #55

Let those who support war fight their own wars. Leave the rest of us out of it. stone space May 2016 #73

I agree with not wanting any part of war, but ... KPN May 2016 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space May 2016 #80

That is a poor comparison. I think it's more that cali May 2016 #2

Some, if not many, of the people who support it ARE the most vulnerable and know it. KPN May 2016 #33

+1. Women who face reproductive slavery, immigrants who would see their families torn apart Maru Kitteh May 2016 #68

Read it again Depaysement May 2016 #3

So, can you suggest a better metaphor? MH1 May 2016 #5

How about "No different than people who attend NASCAR races ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #9

No Depaysement May 2016 #60

Who is exactly saying that? nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #65

Same folks...next. downeastdaniel May 2016 #4

What Revolution - Which People - Specifics Required - When Accusations Are Made cantbeserious May 2016 #6

Yep. Seems to me most of those people are KPN May 2016 #37

I have a bad feeling... Jerry442 May 2016 #7

Yep, I really think that might happen. Some have been backed so far into the corner, they have RKP5637 May 2016 #31

Great story! Sad but true! KPN May 2016 #39

None of these people has a remotely coherent and achievable plan skepticscott May 2016 #8

I couldn't agree more. nt Andy823 May 2016 #10

Those types have little empathy & thus think there are vast hordes thinking their way. Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #15

How is that different from any political party? The2ndWheel May 2016 #25

Well, duh, some (like Democrats) tend to be more realistic. Trump followers are seriously deluded. Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #66

Further, the liberal / progressive agenda has empathy at the core. Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #67

Exactly!!! "Batshit insane is a nice way of describing that notion." As we used to say in R&D, RKP5637 May 2016 #34

+1 iandhr May 2016 #46

When they blame their allies for the actions of their enemies.... baldguy May 2016 #11

People who want Trump to win the GE in order to "Bring on the Revolution" are no different than... Wounded Bear May 2016 #12

+1000! KPN May 2016 #40

If a Trump vs Hillary election doesn't create a revolution within the Democratic party...... raindaddy May 2016 #13

BINGO! KPN May 2016 #41

+1 leftstreet May 2016 #72

Sad but true it exactly is. marble falls May 2016 #14

We have the best vehicle in the world for revolution called elections. world wide wally May 2016 #16

You mean the elections that when it's time to vote being a life long dem onecaliberal May 2016 #58

And if we can't overcome that, we're going to win a revolution? world wide wally May 2016 #69

These folks voted in February dems, then in may were changed to republican. onecaliberal May 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author world wide wally May 2016 #17

Looks like the tactic for today is "scorn and sarcasm - that'll reel them in!" djean111 May 2016 #18

So pointing out stupidity doesn't work? n/t paleotn May 2016 #20

Well, that's really subjective, isn't it? djean111 May 2016 #21

So things would be no worse with Trump as president? paleotn May 2016 #54

Of course you do - labeling people as stupid is so illuminating. djean111 May 2016 #57

+1,000,000 paleotn May 2016 #19

Who is THEY? KPN May 2016 #42

Did you not read the post that began this thread? paleotn May 2016 #53

Oh come on. KPN May 2016 #59

Excellent response to this tactic, well said - eom dreamnightwind May 2016 #71

Look - I'm with you in spirit ... Whiskeytide May 2016 #79

We disagree then. KPN May 2016 #81

Again - very much with you in spirit... Whiskeytide May 2016 #91

That's why the Patriots beat the Steelers every year. KPN May 2016 #93

Well now you're just being mean! Whiskeytide May 2016 #94

Haha. I'll bet you do! KPN May 2016 #96

I keep seeing this rooting for tRump thing but not once have I seen someone link to it... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #83

This one actually inspired me to write this post. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #84

Why didn't you reply to that OP? Also, where did you get the "bring on the revolution' part? ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #85

The death of one of the two major political parties in the US would be a revolution of sorts. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #86

No thanks, indeed. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #88

Some people do not "want" Trump randr May 2016 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author iandhr May 2016 #47

This is an assumption on your part randr May 2016 #50

got to break a few eggs, eh? paleotn May 2016 #56

Then there are those who,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #23

Huh? Bullshit and offensive. KPN May 2016 #43

But we have war in the Middle East zeemike May 2016 #24

You are correct. workinclasszero May 2016 #26

They are probably one and the same in most cases. lark May 2016 #27

Making things worse in order to make them better is always risky. n/t pampango May 2016 #28

What, both of them want the same thing? What are the odds? L. Coyote May 2016 #29

Amen. (nt) Paladin May 2016 #30

Democrats who want a Trump victory in the GE rateyes May 2016 #35

Those who are truly afraid of the outcome of a Trump election should KPN May 2016 #36

No one here wants Trump to win PowerToThePeople May 2016 #38

Wrong - there is no "none of the above option". Democat May 2016 #48

Wrong. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #52

You can tell yourself that all you want, but it still isn't true skepticscott May 2016 #62

I do not need to rationalize anything PowerToThePeople May 2016 #63

Yes, you do skepticscott May 2016 #64

Sounds reasonable tonyt53 May 2016 #51

I'm against Trump.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #61

They're no different than the teabaggers, imo... Blue_Tires May 2016 #74

This is why.....The Horseshoe theory workinclasszero May 2016 #75

Dealing with one of those in the Af Am Group this morning JustAnotherGen May 2016 #76

Prove it. ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #82

I have to Check with the Clinton Campaign JustAnotherGen May 2016 #87

Do you have a link to the post where you're "Dealing with one of those in the Af Am Group"... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #89

It's not a game JustAnotherGen May 2016 #90

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"Funny thing about fishing: it never works out so well for the bait" HughBeaumont May 2016 #92

Those people have a name, "morons." 6000eliot May 2016 #95