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In reply to the discussion: Free Trade- just what can we live without? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)62. You may believe that FDR's views are irrelevant now. We do not agree. And progressive countries
today govern much the same way that FDR did - low tariffs, lots of trade, high taxes, strong unions, good safety nets. In their minds it is not a "different scenario" at all.
He pushed fair trade, not free trade.
We support the greatest possible freedom of trade and commerce.
We Americans have always believed in freedom of opportunity, and equality of opportunity remains one of the principal objectives of our national life. What we believe in for individuals, we believe in also for Nations. We are opposed to restrictions, whether by public act or private arrangement, which distort and impair commerce, transit, and trade.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=16595
Define that as 'free' or 'fair' as you wish. The quote is from his 1945 State of the Union speech. In FDR's experience, national governments tended to invariably raise tariffs on foreigners to protect their own. When every country did that, trade died. FDR wanted to avoid that in the post-war world.
What he did push for was international cooperation in the governing of trade in the form of the International Trade Organization which had FDR had proposed in the summer of 1944. The ITO would have governed the rules of trade and taken that responsibility out of the hands of national governments.
I consider the ITO to have been a structure for 'fair trade' since it would have enforced (through neutral arbitration) standards on labor rights, full employment and business regulation. Unfortunately, republicans did not like the loss of national sovereignty that went along with the ITO governing trade rules (or perhaps they just did not like the 'fair' aspect of the ITO's trade rules). It took Truman several years to negotiate the ITO. It was eventually signed by 48 countries but republicans had gained strength in congress by then and blocked it from ever being voted on.
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Because these deals line pockets in a big way, Congreess and lobbyists gain- we lose
larkrake
May 2016
#10
If you are willing to pay more for autos, electronics, etc., that are inferior, you can buy here.
Hoyt
May 2016
#2
Ever heard of a trade war? Look it up. Nationalistic America First won't work nowadays,
Hoyt
May 2016
#31
I am proposing Fair trade, instead of free, and not giving Corporations immunity to our laws
larkrake
May 2016
#39
LOLZ. I grew up on O'ahu and never did care for Kona Coffee.And have you seen the price these days?!
Hekate
May 2016
#68
Kona coffee is good enough, our other satallite offshoots also grow coffee and teas
larkrake
May 2016
#12
Yes, sadly the CEOs would vacumn up the profits, its the american way, in triplicate
larkrake
May 2016
#88
California is bigger than most countries. Should it not trade with New York? How about with Canada?
pampango
May 2016
#18
Of course the US is not a progressive country. But if we are to become one (which is our goal), why
pampango
May 2016
#48
It is a different scenario. FDR didnt have 5000 bases all over the world, he did not have two wars
larkrake
May 2016
#57
You may believe that FDR's views are irrelevant now. We do not agree. And progressive countries
pampango
May 2016
#62
No, Republicans prefer giving that power to Corporations who use child labor, desolate wages
larkrake
May 2016
#81
IF the US returns to the policies of FDR/Sweden on labor rights, taxation, regulation and safety net
pampango
May 2016
#103
sorry Pamp, please learn to digest what I said. The US is the victim of free trade
larkrake
May 2016
#29
True. Since Fukishima and the BP spill, we are sorely lacking seafoot fit to eat
larkrake
May 2016
#26
We dont sell much to them , the exception being war planes and weapons of course
larkrake
May 2016
#24
You couldn't be more wrong - you just have no idea what you're talking about
Corporate666
May 2016
#44
you are right, absolutely, sorry I was so casual in my reply. We used fair trade doing it, so why go
larkrake
May 2016
#86
I agree with you, I'm always going to neighbors to give them my extra tomaos, zucchini
larkrake
May 2016
#38
I prefer frozen, there is no waste from forgetting its in the back of the fridge, and it is
larkrake
May 2016
#37
we are good on veggies, but fruit is limited to hawaii and our southern islands
larkrake
May 2016
#35
I hand mix barley, oats and corn. Mold effects the nervous and pulmunary systems
larkrake
May 2016
#96
Stuff from Europe and Japan is frequently superior to US-made equivalents
Spider Jerusalem
May 2016
#41
You are using a computer and the vast majority of those are made in China.
Agnosticsherbet
May 2016
#78
And we have free trade with Canada. The point being is that damn few of us are living without trade.
Agnosticsherbet
May 2016
#83
Of course, China isnt stupid. They know that manufacturing is the only way to go.
larkrake
May 2016
#85