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In reply to the discussion: Scientific American: Bash Homeopathy and Bigfoot Less, Mammograms and War More [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)14. So can allopathic "white-coat" medicine.
https://chriskresser.com/medical-care-is-the-3rd-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us/
Are there comparable figures for deaths due to patients choosing homeopathy or chiropractic?
The prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association published a study by Dr. Barbara Starfield, a medical doctor with a Masters degree in Public Health, in 2000 which revealed the extremely poor performance of the United States health care system when compared to other industrialized countries (Japan, Sweden, Canada, France, Australia, Spain, Finland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Denmark, Belgium and Germany).
The most shocking revelation of her report is that iatrogentic damage (defined as a state of ill health or adverse effect resulting from medical treatment) is the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.
This means that doctors and hospitals are responsible for more deaths each year than cerebrovascular disease, chronic respiratory diseases, accidents, diabetes, Alzheimers disease and pneumonia.
The combined effect of errors and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic damage includes:
Starfield and her colleagues performed an analysis which ... concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience adverse effects in outpatient settings.
The most shocking revelation of her report is that iatrogentic damage (defined as a state of ill health or adverse effect resulting from medical treatment) is the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.
This means that doctors and hospitals are responsible for more deaths each year than cerebrovascular disease, chronic respiratory diseases, accidents, diabetes, Alzheimers disease and pneumonia.
The combined effect of errors and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic damage includes:
- 12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
- 7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
- 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
- 80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
- 106,000 deaths a year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications
Starfield and her colleagues performed an analysis which ... concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience adverse effects in outpatient settings.
Are there comparable figures for deaths due to patients choosing homeopathy or chiropractic?
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Scientific American: Bash Homeopathy and Bigfoot Less, Mammograms and War More [View all]
GliderGuider
May 2016
OP
Me too, and from what he wrote here, John Horgan seems like a good skeptic also.
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