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Brickbat

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58. Part of the problem is that humans are bad at imagining the future, and we're also bad at managing

Wed May 18, 2016, 08:42 AM

May 2016

incremental change. We know we don't want to live "like that," but what does halfway to "like that" look like? What's the tipping point -- and if you get "like that" and find you're OK with it, what's the next step? It's different for different people, and there need to be a lot of safeguards. But I think having an option for a quick and painless death can even help people live longer by taking despair out of the equation. We don't fear death; we fear the loss of autonomy and sense of self that happens before death. If we know we can control it, it can take a lot of the uncertainty and fear out of the whole process.

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Man, 86, accused of shooting wife because medication was too expensive [View all] RockaFowler May 2016 OP

I quit going to the doctors and taking my medication because I can't afford it. bahrbearian May 2016 #1

SS? What about Medicaid or Medicare? KamaAina May 2016 #6

Yea we have Medicaid with a $400 month co-pay bahrbearian May 2016 #7

Okay, there is some confusion here. If you have Social jwirr May 2016 #28

perhaps not to you....my mom was a depression era child and she wanted to die before house payback dembotoz May 2016 #31

I think you must be talking to someone else. I am a depression jwirr May 2016 #38

here in wisconsin they are very much into cost recovery.... dembotoz May 2016 #40

Here in MN we also do cost recovery. But you cannot recover jwirr May 2016 #43

what is amusing is the wealthy part of the family did the trust thing and avoided the problem dembotoz May 2016 #49

On that I agree with you totally. And that is why cost jwirr May 2016 #59

so sorry you're going through this.... ExtraGriz May 2016 #19

Is there any indication that she consented to this? Orrex May 2016 #2

My question also. Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #45

No age exemption for murder FLPanhandle May 2016 #3

He is being charged with first degree murder. djean111 May 2016 #4

+1,000 malaise May 2016 #5

No, the crime is that he killed his wife with premeditation Orrex May 2016 #8

Where did I say he should not be charged? djean111 May 2016 #9

You said "the real crime here" Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #10

Yes, poor choice of words. djean111 May 2016 #11

Yes, that is the real crime... Human101948 May 2016 #53

You're making assumptions based on nothing Orrex May 2016 #12

I never said this was an excuse for murder. n/t djean111 May 2016 #27

You admitted to your poor choice of words Orrex May 2016 #34

Well, I will just have to let it go at that. djean111 May 2016 #36

Well, no. They're not "both crimes," at least not in any legal sense. Orrex May 2016 #37

oh dog NJCher May 2016 #54

no more meds... lame54 May 2016 #62

Still premeditated murder. Orrex May 2016 #63

+1000 nt abelenkpe May 2016 #22

No, he planned her murder obamanut2012 May 2016 #24

Planning also goes into assisted suicide. jwirr May 2016 #29

As does informed consent Orrex May 2016 #35

That sounds like American values. Fuck citizens' needs and all problems are solved with guns. nt valerief May 2016 #13

I'm curious as to why he didn't turn the gun on himself afterwards ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #14

He said it was about the money. Suicides don't care about money. WinkyDink May 2016 #51

What about it being a mercy killing? zalinda May 2016 #15

Well, we don't actually have that as a legal "out.' WinkyDink May 2016 #52

Yeah, we treat our animals with more dignity. eom zalinda May 2016 #61

Single payer? NO WAY! snort May 2016 #16

They both should have walked into a bank and held it up packman May 2016 #17

jail? dynamo99 May 2016 #20

one day many of us will be in this exact same position. Javaman May 2016 #18

one day many of us will be in this exact same position. dynamo99 May 2016 #23

Perhaps we could implement some sort of Affordable Care legislation to fix this hughee99 May 2016 #39

perhaps, but don't count on it. Javaman May 2016 #47

If she wanted to die, why not leave the gun with her and go for a walk? FLPanhandle May 2016 #21

Yup, premeditated murder obamanut2012 May 2016 #25

that assumes she could do it herself NJCher May 2016 #55

Too tragic for words. TIME TO PANIC May 2016 #26

Sounds to me... Helen Borg May 2016 #30

I also wonder if she asked him to help her Ilsa May 2016 #32

how many of you have watched a spouse slowly die? i have it is not fun dembotoz May 2016 #33

I am sorry for your loss. DawgHouse May 2016 #42

thanks for writing out your perspective NJCher May 2016 #56

How awful for the family of this couple. DawgHouse May 2016 #41

If she was ill and in so much pain tavernier May 2016 #44

Everyone has an excuse for murder Democat May 2016 #46

so it is only ok if both die? dembotoz May 2016 #48

I do hope that as the baby boomers age, their money and influence (as a cohort) will change the way Brickbat May 2016 #50

I think about that a lot NJCher May 2016 #57

Part of the problem is that humans are bad at imagining the future, and we're also bad at managing Brickbat May 2016 #58

excellent points, all NJCher May 2016 #60