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11 Bravo

(24,310 posts) Fri May 20, 2016, 05:23 PM May 2016

Am I the only one fearful that Dems may be preparing to piss away ... [View all]

an election that shouldn't even be close?

Fact: Only one of our two candidates is going to get the nod from the party; and if supporters of the runner-up, whomever it may be, refuse to unite in opposition to Donald Freaking Trump, then we, and the country, are well and truly screwed.

Fuck the people who will reject this as a demand for some kind of a loyalty oath.
Fuck the people who think calling supporters of another candidate "Bernbots" or "Hillaryans" is helpful (or clever).
Fuck the PUMAs.
Fuck the people who claim that either DEMOCRATIC candidate is "unelectable", "dishonest", "shrill", or "violent".

Have I left anyone out? If so, it's not from lack of trying.

Because Donald Fucking Trump presents the most existential threat to Democracy, decency, and everything that this country is supposed to stand for, of any candidate in my lifetime.

And I'm afraid that Democrats are about to help elect him.

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Am I the only one fearful that Dems may be preparing to piss away ... [View all] 11 Bravo May 2016 OP

Dems never pass on an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory Ohioblue22 May 2016 #1

It's the optimism that staches those wins scscholar May 2016 #41

Well we have just the chair to do just that... nt silvershadow May 2016 #43

I get to answer, a. since this is not in GDP where I refuse to post Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #2

No. cwydro May 2016 #3

Unfortunately yes, and it's pissing away a sweep down ticket as well... joeybee12 May 2016 #4

"Have I left anyone out?" No, that pretty much covers us all: ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #5

That is my main fear for this election Fresh_Start May 2016 #6

As a socialist....love Bernie. Xolodno May 2016 #7

Finally! ^ world wide wally May 2016 #11

gore lost the election all by himself. you are repeating a non - fact. ish of the hammer May 2016 #15

Excuse me.....I normally don't feed trolls like you. Xolodno May 2016 #36

I have 153 million reasons not to believe a word that any clinton says and ish of the hammer May 2016 #50

Not smart, buddy. Not smart at all. brush May 2016 #77

What can be said...other than he's a dumb ass. Xolodno May 2016 #134

You could have a point. Socialists are the exact opposite of fascists on the political scale brush May 2016 #137

If she loses the election it will be people like you who can't stand the thought of Sanders demosincebirth May 2016 #38

see my answer above ish of the hammer May 2016 #51

Probably not Major Nikon May 2016 #93

WOW!!! Buttons3345 May 2016 #106

I don't know of a single real Bernie supporter who would vote for Trump. JimDandy May 2016 #116

Not voting awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #136

I vote my conscience. Everyone should. Que sera, sera. JimDandy May 2016 #140

Well, I guess we know... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #144

A lot, especially voting rights! It is clear though, that economic equality, JimDandy May 2016 #145

complete Bullshit. Nader voters(you sound like one) in FL helped give the state to Bush/Cheney redstateblues May 2016 #60

nope - this has been debunked already. and I still have 153 million reasons to ish of the hammer May 2016 #62

No, it hasn't been debunked. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #69

Thorough debunked. Here's the actual ballot analysis riderinthestorm May 2016 #78

From the abstract: GaYellowDawg May 2016 #110

The paper is clear - 300,000 Democratic voters switched to Bush riderinthestorm May 2016 #112

Obviously, you didn't actually read the paper. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #118

I'm sorry for the typo, geez. riderinthestorm May 2016 #121

The "typo" is quite substantial and the fact that it's happened more than once indicates GaYellowDawg May 2016 #125

You conveniently forget over 80,000 Democrats purged by Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush. Fuddnik May 2016 #154

I've seen the debunking-it's essentially one persons opinion redstateblues May 2016 #70

No, here's the actual ballot analysis riderinthestorm May 2016 #79

It's a shitty analysis. Full of questionable assumptions. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #113

300,000 Democratic voters voted for Bush in FL. riderinthestorm May 2016 #115

The paper says ON THE FIRST PAGE that 97K Floridians voted for Nader. You obviously didn't read it. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #123

I'm sorry. I thought we were having a discussion riderinthestorm May 2016 #124

It's not a typo if you repeat it as often as you have. It's an error. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #127

It's a myth that Nader cost Gore the election. That's been thoroughly debunked. riderinthestorm May 2016 #72

I find interesting that the clinton acolytes are sooo ready to ish of the hammer May 2016 #83

There is no way to deny Nader voters in FL helped give the state to Bush/Cheney redstateblues May 2016 #91

300,000 Democratic voters voted for Bush in FL. riderinthestorm May 2016 #101

You can tell who the Nader voters were. Whenever that a-hole's name comes up, they defend him. brush May 2016 #82

I happily voted for Gore. No brainer for me. nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #89

None of them will ever admit it though-pretty amazing redstateblues May 2016 #92

I'm with you Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #63

I think both candidates will work to defeat Trump after June. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #8

I for one sure hope you are right. pressbox69 May 2016 #10

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #20

Bernie will be a strong supporter for Hillary redstateblues May 2016 #95

Meh TrappedInUtah May 2016 #9

Now, actually THINK about the difference between Trump and Hillary. world wide wally May 2016 #12

Yes, she won't make things worse TrappedInUtah May 2016 #13

Neither Trump nor Hillary have actually stated a platform zalinda May 2016 #16

So, I gather you are leaning Trump. world wide wally May 2016 #23

That's just silly. Fuddnik May 2016 #155

Congrats...a fact-free post joeybee12 May 2016 #28

Discount that viewpoint at your peril. Jester Messiah May 2016 #34

Far too many don't want to engage back... joeybee12 May 2016 #35

Doesn't change what you have to do as a Hillary supporter. Jester Messiah May 2016 #138

Un-be-freaking-lievable. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #71

So are you voting blue or not? brush May 2016 #87

By nominating Trump, in every likelihood it's the Republicans who have pissed away the election. Nye Bevan May 2016 #14

Yup Trump might be the only candidate Hillary could beat Egnever May 2016 #32

Your last sentence nailed it. brush May 2016 #96

I disagree elljay May 2016 #44

Don't know where you get the idea they are all lining up to support him Egnever May 2016 #45

No, it's fact unfortunately riderinthestorm May 2016 #49

Not buying it Egnever May 2016 #58

David Brooks was on NPR this afternoon and predicts Republicans unite within 2 weeks riderinthestorm May 2016 #64

So now we buy what Brooks is selling? Egnever May 2016 #68

I believe Brooks has an inside line on inner Republican machinations riderinthestorm May 2016 #88

but you didn't believe him two days ago? Egnever May 2016 #97

That article actually supports my statements riderinthestorm May 2016 #111

Yea I could see where you would think that Egnever May 2016 #139

We still outnumber them brush May 2016 #99

Republicans are kicking our ass in getting out the vote riderinthestorm May 2016 #105

Give it a rest. They had, what, 18 get out the vote operations at one time? brush May 2016 #120

Many times the voters? Egnever May 2016 #132

Exactly! Egnever May 2016 #108

The Atlantic is keeping a running list of endorsements elljay May 2016 #67

Again did you even read that? Egnever May 2016 #74

Forget it elljay May 2016 #85

LOL my magical thinking Egnever May 2016 #90

The GOP elite may be making a public display of unity... Surya Gayatri May 2016 #157

How about the NY Times elljay May 2016 #59

Did you actually read those? Egnever May 2016 #65

Of course elljay May 2016 #80

lalalal LOL Egnever May 2016 #86

What if they threw an election, and nobody came? Fuddnik May 2016 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #17

Keep growing. I applaud that. Organized for 2018 and take back Congress, just vote blue now. brush May 2016 #102

Trump is a dark shadow... CONGRESS is the danger HereSince1628 May 2016 #18

I'm not fearful. I'm disgusted. Iggo May 2016 #19

I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat. Maeve May 2016 #21

Blame the DNC oligarchy...don't blame the voters davidn3600 May 2016 #22

Can somebody please explain exactly what primary rules were changed after Bernie entered the race? world wide wally May 2016 #24

That would be "none." But if you don't read the rules, it stands to reason that MADem May 2016 #26

Exactly... joeybee12 May 2016 #37

This is DU where being negative is regarded by some as a virtue. MADem May 2016 #25

Now that's what I'm talking about. Agreed. Trump will lose spectacularly. brush May 2016 #104

Conservative Dems will do anything to kill the progressive movement. Even aligning with Trump. arcane1 May 2016 #27

Yep. Nt abelenkpe May 2016 #31

Agree, arcane1 nt Duval May 2016 #57

Every nation goes through a dark period. Maybe it's our time. kayakjohnny May 2016 #29

The Susan Sarandon theory redstateblues May 2016 #73

This election is going to be a test of the strength of the Obama coalition. craigmatic May 2016 #30

Nope, she's a fine candidate joeybee12 May 2016 #39

And your assertion that rury May 2016 #54

Obviously, joeybee12 May 2016 #56

So are you voting blue? brush May 2016 #107

If I think it actually matters in terms of winning by a slim margin. If it looks like a blow out I'm craigmatic May 2016 #141

But how will you know? brush May 2016 #142

If my home state is within 3 or 4 % in the week leading up to election I'll vote for her if not I craigmatic May 2016 #146

So you're worried, but fuck everyone you disagree with. Jester Messiah May 2016 #33

We are five months out. oldandhappy May 2016 #40

Considering the trends, the polls will only get *worse* for Clinton. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #109

Just saw on Chris Matthews show: 72% of Sanders supporters say they will back HRC panader0 May 2016 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #47

only 60% of Hillary supporters in 08 said they would vote for Obama redstateblues May 2016 #76

Getting Hillary over the finish line will be nearly impossible. She's so flawed riderinthestorm May 2016 #46

The DNC didn't push voters into voting for Clinton. Face it, she got more votes. brush May 2016 #114

The DNC did everything it could to bolster Hillary riderinthestorm May 2016 #119

He tamped down his own competition by discounting AA voters in the southern primaries brush May 2016 #122

I disagree. A vicious assault on his genuine civil rights record riderinthestorm May 2016 #129

Vicious assault my ass. Try the truth. Bernie himself said the southern primaries "distort reality". brush May 2016 #130

No Beowulf May 2016 #133

Here are words from Weaver and Devine on that very topic brush May 2016 #135

So well said. Couldn't agree more. The unimpeachable truth. Both this post and the one above: Surya Gayatri May 2016 #158

Ever notice how the Lesser of Two Evils keeps getting harder to tell the difference. Hiraeth May 2016 #147

I am not arrogant enough to believe this country isn't stupid enough to elect Trump president. LS_Editor May 2016 #48

My thoughts exactly. Different Drummer May 2016 #160

well, ONE of the Dems is unelectable MisterP May 2016 #52

Bernie will support Hillary in the GE and she win in the GE redstateblues May 2016 #75

Keep telling yourself that red! BillZBubb May 2016 #84

All the Dems will support the nominee... modestybl May 2016 #53

No you're not. I'm with you. It's insane, or unwise to say the least. cheapdate May 2016 #55

We dont need Bern or his Supporters to beat Trump..... Cryptoad May 2016 #61

Given DWS's track record, a loss is all but assured. HooptieWagon May 2016 #66

Hyperbole much??? BillZBubb May 2016 #81

A vote for Hillary in the primary is a vote for Trump in the general Android3.14 May 2016 #94

I share your fears, big-time. Paladin May 2016 #98

As long as the neoliberals are in charge, they will continue to piss away victories. w4rma May 2016 #100

Hillary Clinton is totally responsible for what happens in the GE JimDandy May 2016 #103

I think it is totally ironic... ReRe May 2016 #117

I think we'll be fine. TPTB won't start really going after Trump underthematrix May 2016 #126

Hmm. Your post deserves an answer, and I'll try and give a thoughtful one because PatrickforO May 2016 #128

If Donald Trump is such a monster, what were the Clintons doing at his wedding? Dems to Win May 2016 #131

You of course are forgetting the independent voters that raelly nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #143

I remember back in 2004 when Kerry was running zalinda May 2016 #148

No Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #149

I remember, Brother Joe, and I certainly agree with you! That election was a heartbreaker... :( Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #150

Thanks 4 the welcome Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #151

That's one nice thing about DU, someone somewhere is always around no matter what the hour... Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #152

unfortunately on "democrats" you are wrong...its not a problem that exists with both our beachbum bob May 2016 #153

^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri May 2016 #159