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In reply to the discussion: NDAA unconstitutional: Federal judge bans Obama from indefinitely detaining Americans [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)86. The Obama administration
made an argument that the challenge to the case, but the judge struck down Congress' interpretation.
The Obama administration had asked Judge Forrest to reconsider her ruling, saying that the plaintiffs lacked legal standing to challenge the law and that it was extraordinary for her to have restrained future military operations that might be ordered by the commander in chief during wartime.
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In section 1021, Congress laid out its interpretation of the extent of the militarys authority to hold people without trial, as detailed in its approval a decade earlier of military force shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.
One provision of the statute, which Judge Forrests order did not block, said that authorization covered the detention of the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks and those who assisted in them.
But another provision, which she did block, said it also covered people who were part of or substantially supported Al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies.
Enactment of the statute was controversial, in part, because it did not lay out what conduct could lead to someones being detained, and because it was silent about whether it extended to American citizens and others arrested on United States soil.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/us/terrorism-detention-provision-is-blocked.html
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In section 1021, Congress laid out its interpretation of the extent of the militarys authority to hold people without trial, as detailed in its approval a decade earlier of military force shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.
One provision of the statute, which Judge Forrests order did not block, said that authorization covered the detention of the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks and those who assisted in them.
But another provision, which she did block, said it also covered people who were part of or substantially supported Al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies.
Enactment of the statute was controversial, in part, because it did not lay out what conduct could lead to someones being detained, and because it was silent about whether it extended to American citizens and others arrested on United States soil.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/us/terrorism-detention-provision-is-blocked.html
The President had already signed off on a policy making Congress' interpretation void.
Federal Judge Blocks Indefinite Detention Provisions Of NDAA
A federal judge in Manhattan has blocked enforcement of provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which allow the government to place individuals they claim supported al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces in indefinite military detention.
Before anyone should be subjected to the possibility ofindefinite military detention, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that individuals be able to understandwhat conduct might cause him or her to run afoul of [the law], wrote District Judge Katherine Forrest. Unfortunately, there are a number of terms that are sufficientlyvague that no ordinary citizen can reliably define such conduct.
Forrest ruled that Congress can add definitional language to the statute and resolve the issues the plaintiffs have raised and resolve the issues with the statute and proceed with enforcement activities it deems fit. But for now, there are a variety of other statutes which can be utilized to detain those engaged in various levels of support of terrorists, so enjoining enforcement of the provisions does not divest the Government of its many other tools.
President Barack Obama signed the law in December despite his objections to the military detention provisions of the statute. The administration later issued guidelines in February which essentially made it nearly impossible for a terrorism suspect to end up in the hands of the military.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/federal-judge-blocks-indefinite-detention-provisions-of-ndaa
A federal judge in Manhattan has blocked enforcement of provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which allow the government to place individuals they claim supported al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces in indefinite military detention.
Before anyone should be subjected to the possibility ofindefinite military detention, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that individuals be able to understandwhat conduct might cause him or her to run afoul of [the law], wrote District Judge Katherine Forrest. Unfortunately, there are a number of terms that are sufficientlyvague that no ordinary citizen can reliably define such conduct.
Forrest ruled that Congress can add definitional language to the statute and resolve the issues the plaintiffs have raised and resolve the issues with the statute and proceed with enforcement activities it deems fit. But for now, there are a variety of other statutes which can be utilized to detain those engaged in various levels of support of terrorists, so enjoining enforcement of the provisions does not divest the Government of its many other tools.
President Barack Obama signed the law in December despite his objections to the military detention provisions of the statute. The administration later issued guidelines in February which essentially made it nearly impossible for a terrorism suspect to end up in the hands of the military.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/federal-judge-blocks-indefinite-detention-provisions-of-ndaa
It's also a good thing the judge wasn't a Bush holdover.
Katherine Forrest was nominated by President Obama in May 2011. She was confirmed in October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_B._Forrest
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NDAA unconstitutional: Federal judge bans Obama from indefinitely detaining Americans [View all]
lovuian
Jun 2012
OP
There's no reason for him to "get" things that are completely imaginary in the first place.
TheWraith
Jun 2012
#13
It's explained by part of the NDAA very definitely pertaining to US citizens. nt
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#22
Funny that at least one judge and several that had a part in writing the thing
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#32
Some might say it doesnt really matter. Bush already inacted indefinate detention
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#62
Thank you. I agree she addressed indefinite detention and said, "but only providing that the
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#95
You are incorrect. It does not say that, the government would not conceded that and the Judge
morningfog
Jun 2012
#92
You have a good point there as well! One would think that Democratic Senators would have
teddy51
Jun 2012
#11
If the Judge saw a problem with it and stopped it, then there must have been a problem.
teddy51
Jun 2012
#25
No, it's not. Sorry, it's one of the best news sources available right now. Although it does
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#58
"Judge Forrest does include in her ruling, however, that Americans can be indefinitely detained"
boppers
Jun 2012
#73
Interesting that you cant find it in the bill when lots of people, including a judge can find it.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#101
Good question. Sick of this kind of baiting. The only people I know who hate RT in this country
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#113
Why not? Even Hillary watches RT because 'they are good' she says. It is an excellent news
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#61
RT is a far more reliable source than the right leaning LA Times. Why do you have more
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#100
Why dont you discuss the issue instead of trying to deflect the discussion? nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#99
Do you have a link to the ruling itself or a link to an alternative analysis?
morningfog
Jun 2012
#84
The LA Times is a Right Wing rag. Surprising to see it here considering the huge outcry over
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#114
You and I both know that's Bullshit. This whole bill is just another way to steal a little
teddy51
Jun 2012
#52
I think it has a few more sinister parts to it than it does good ones. Those things may
teddy51
Jun 2012
#102
For the people insisting that the law could never be applied to American citizens, I have a question
Jim Lane
Jun 2012
#71
So just reading some of the thread responses, a few people are disappointed......
marmar
Jun 2012
#83
The soap opera like, fainting spells exhibited by the "Source Guardians" are, and always have been
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#106
Guidelines are Sooo binding. "The administration later issued guidelines in February which
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#97
Yes, because the US is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions and as such we are bound by it.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#108