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68. 3rd world countries with illiterate and semi-literate populations don't have a problem with voting.

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:16 PM

May 2016

Why do we? Because we make a simple thing like voting very complicated. Why do we do that? The easier to rig the vote to get the "winner" our owners want. Take a look at the current Democratic primary for a case in point.
I think we need to institute the same techniques that these 3rd world countries use. Paper ballots, with pictures of the candidates besides the names and when you vote, you dip an index finger into the ink well. (Middle fingers works too.)

Get rid of the caucuses, delegates and the electoral college also. Direct voting, instant run offs. Yeah, we can do this, if we have a mind too.

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69 year old black woman in Virginia brought 4 forms of ID to polls & still couldn't vote [View all] kpete May 2016 OP

This sucks. Agschmid May 2016 #1

it really does. Bernie woud never allow this and has a better chance at winning in November. Baobab May 2016 #22

Thanks for dragging in the GDP. Agschmid May 2016 #24

I'm with Agschmid, keep these comments in GDP where they belong. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #27

it really does. Hillary would never allow this and has a better chance at winning in November. trueblue2007 May 2016 #48

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo May 2016 #87

The president really has no say in this matter Maeve May 2016 #64

Preemption SusanLarson May 2016 #135

"The laws of the United States" as they stand now Maeve May 2016 #137

that would be a violation of the 10th ammendment Travis_0004 May 2016 #151

This is all about the SCOTUS and not really about the President gollygee May 2016 #80

THIS is what voter suppression looks like. Not the bogus crap Sanders and his followers KittyWampus May 2016 #97

The president has no say over Virginia's voter id law. yardwork May 2016 #148

I am so sick of everything in this country SamKnause May 2016 #2

well in a few years there wont be anything like that, the machine will just recognize her face. Baobab May 2016 #34

Another practical and personal reason to ensure that we have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic BlueCaliDem May 2016 #3

Wait; didn't Ralph Nader say there's no difference between the Parties? Yeah, haven't forgotten. WinkyDink May 2016 #4

The voter id law in VA was passed by the Republicans and just went into effect now. FSogol May 2016 #5

Exactly... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #6

So painfull true. If we lose the SCOTUS, it's over for equal and civil rights in this country. BlueCaliDem May 2016 #16

What is frustrating... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #41

It *is* frustrating, and I've watched, with growing shock, how the Dem Party leadership hasn't done BlueCaliDem May 2016 #57

If I took my ball and went home... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #72

Spot on, awoke. As an Ameican citizen, it's my duty to vote for people who will represent ALL of BlueCaliDem May 2016 #78

what hard work? Baobab May 2016 #50

Democrats don't need to ask that stupid question, "what hard work". If you don't know his ground- BlueCaliDem May 2016 #56

There is so much wrong with what you said that i don't know where to start. Baobab May 2016 #62

Well, there's so much wrong with how you think that maybe, just maybe, you need to accept that BlueCaliDem May 2016 #65

ACA has done very little to reduce uninsurance or underinsurance Baobab May 2016 #84

We had a Democratic a president and congress when Obama first went into office fasttense May 2016 #33

The president does NOT have the ability to control state voting laws frazzled May 2016 #144

People have to have a place to live to be able to vote, right? Baobab May 2016 #38

Yes. BlueCaliDem May 2016 #67

yup Baobab May 2016 #69

Nope. Outdated info doesn't help me. Sorry. eom BlueCaliDem May 2016 #77

Good point to bring up the job part scscholar May 2016 #76

Preview of what is to come in November. Dark money and voter suppression is the rethug strategy. kairos12 May 2016 #7

If you don't think Hillary will go negative to suppress Trump's voter turnout Calista241 May 2016 #120

I used my current VA drivers. ileus May 2016 #8

Needs all 5! Helen Borg May 2016 #9

Why did she let her Virginia DMV card expire? Kang Colby May 2016 #10

What shenanigans? malaise May 2016 #13

Mike Connell's handy work 2004 Cincinnati, OH Botany May 2016 #20

When I added my post malaise May 2016 #31

what exactly am I looking at here? Kerry votes going to this Cobb person? Takket May 2016 #112

I'm wondering the same thing n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #117

It is called a "man in the middle" scam Botany May 2016 #130

well said ericson00 May 2016 #15

Not needed for a lot of things.... mwooldri May 2016 #17

I think that's a well thought out and well written response. Kudos to you. Kang Colby May 2016 #18

That's a favorite Republican talking point you are pushing there. truebluegreen May 2016 #96

I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to voter fraud. Kang Colby May 2016 #98

"Hundreds of convictions" out of how many votes? truebluegreen May 2016 #104

Could you supply some links? Baobab May 2016 #106

+1 truebluegreen May 2016 #118

You are citing "election fraud" — not voter fraud. immoderate May 2016 #152

Ah. So you didn't actually read the article. WillowTree May 2016 #66

You got me. Yup. Tl;dr. Guilty as charged. Nt mwooldri May 2016 #95

They cost, for one thing LadyHawkAZ May 2016 #21

Name one instance where someone committed voter fraud. KeepItReal May 2016 #26

See link below. Kang Colby May 2016 #29

you mean this one? or right wing crap you are pushing redstate/republicanlawyers/discoverthenetworks Agony May 2016 #54

If there were that paltry number of cases, would that justify mass purges and new ID requirements? KeepItReal May 2016 #70

Bullshit that voter fraud is a big deal! Let's say 300 people committed it, but 1.3 million may be Akamai May 2016 #139

What's your point exactly? Kang Colby May 2016 #145

you clearly have an agenda, to deny people voting. Voter impersonation has never, ever been a major Akamai May 2016 #153

I take it you've never heard of Chicago. WillowTree May 2016 #157

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Maybe she doesn't own a car and has no transportation to the DMV which is several towns away? Baobab May 2016 #32

But yet she can make it to her voting precinct. Kang Colby May 2016 #35

which is usually within walking distance. Baobab May 2016 #40

I was updating my response as you replied. Kang Colby May 2016 #43

No, just that we should bend over backwards to make sure that ALL AMERICANS can vote honestly Baobab May 2016 #49

We do allow voting by mail in plenty of locations. Kang Colby May 2016 #51

31 cases of voter fraud in 1 BILLION votes cast. truebluegreen May 2016 #119

There have been hundreds of convictions over the last few years. Your WaPo blog post is flawed. Kang Colby May 2016 #121

OK. Let's change the title to "Hundreds of convictions for voter fraud truebluegreen May 2016 #122

In some of those cases, thousands of instances of voter fraud was reported. Kang Colby May 2016 #124

Reported by whom? Tea Partiers? Nice company you keep truebluegreen May 2016 #125

You are trying to poison the well. Kang Colby May 2016 #127

You've done that already, link or no link. truebluegreen May 2016 #128

Thanks for the conversation. We simply have a difference of opinion..and there is nothing wrong with Kang Colby May 2016 #129

There are DMVs all over Northern Virginia SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #52

If you read the article....... WillowTree May 2016 #71

You support voter ID laws? passiveporcupine May 2016 #39

Sure do. Kang Colby May 2016 #45

So long as states provide free photo ID SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #42

I dont think its free- It should be Baobab May 2016 #102

Photo voter ID in Virginia is free n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #105

You'd be surprised how many Americans don't use regular banks, and never rent cars, gollygee May 2016 #81

That's just dumb. I'm sorry, but it is. The Straight Story May 2016 #99

Oh, the hardship of having a state issued photo ID. Kang Colby May 2016 #100

I see you are trying to deflect from things, I understand, easier than actual, intelligent, talking The Straight Story May 2016 #108

What's that have to do with anything? Kang Colby May 2016 #110

Oh? The Straight Story May 2016 #113

You and I have a philosophical disagreement... Kang Colby May 2016 #114

Indeed we do. I don't see all americans as potential criminals and fraudulent voters The Straight Story May 2016 #115

I don't either...we agree on that point. eom Kang Colby May 2016 #116

So tell me - how often does a poor black woman nearing 70 rent a hotel room, rent a car or fly? ET Awful May 2016 #134

How do you know she is poor? Thanks. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #136

Simple - if she were wealthy, she'd likely have the ID and easy access to it. n/t ET Awful May 2016 #155

She had a valid NC drivers license AND an expired VA license yet she claimed to be a VA resident. Kang Colby May 2016 #156

May come as a shock to you, but sometimes people move. n/t ET Awful May 2016 #160

You didn't read the story...lol. Kang Colby May 2016 #162

So I guess it's beyond your understanding that somebody could move to NC ET Awful May 2016 #174

That version of events reminds me of a Disney story. Kang Colby May 2016 #175

All I see is someone who has bought into a mythological boogieman argument that has no basis in fact ET Awful May 2016 #176

Some people don't do any of those things. alarimer May 2016 #140

It's OK that I have a different opinion than you and others. Kang Colby May 2016 #146

No its not OK ibegurpard May 2016 #180

That is simply your opinion. Kang Colby May 2016 #182

Maybe she doesn't need a hotel room, rental car, Ilsa May 2016 #170

Republicans know if the people are allowed to vote they will be out of power Botany May 2016 #11

She did vote n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #44

Yes after lots of unneeeded bull crap Botany May 2016 #74

We'll agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #79

Voter ID laws have one purpose and that is to surpress democratic voter turn out. Botany May 2016 #88

Well ... Aren't you fancy? Trajan May 2016 #154

I'd have looked askance at her ID. Igel May 2016 #12

Oh.......stop making sense. WillowTree May 2016 #73

That's The Good Ole USA for you UCmeNdc May 2016 #14

In Ohio, the bank statement probably would have worked Maeve May 2016 #19

All this to fix a "problem" that never existed, SusanCalvin May 2016 #23

that is BULLSHIT. even an EXPIRED license should fucking work. fucking supreme court pansypoo53219 May 2016 #25

We are totally and completely screwed. Our system is completely and profoundly broken. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #28

Funny story malaise May 2016 #37

The reason an expired license isn't accepted Maeve May 2016 #61

People snickered? redwitch May 2016 #30

She did vote didn't she? I also usually get a provisional ballot, but that is voting. braddy May 2016 #36

It's not voting. It's asking some asshole for permission - they can throw it away, not count it, jtuck004 May 2016 #143

Except that she did vote, and it counts, I always get a provisional ballot myself, like she did. braddy May 2016 #150

If it is a provisional ballot that decision is made outside of your presence. Your talk is air. n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #164

Wrong, a provisional ballot is a valid vote, and I almost always use a provisional ballot myself. braddy May 2016 #166

Do I need to say the word "provisional" slower for you? jtuck004 May 2016 #167

Like I said, for years all my votes have been provisional, it merely means that they will be checked braddy May 2016 #168

This country has gone completely to shit. And all we have to hope for is Clinton or tRump... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #46

Hope that reincarnation exists Baobab May 2016 #107

Ugh Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #47

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Yup. It's the same argument that Clintonites have used to disenfranchise Sanders voters. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #58

My thoughts exactly. A lot of people didn't care about voter suppression during the primaries. reformist2 May 2016 #59

Apparently she didn't know the rules initially. WillowTree May 2016 #75

This demands a new strategy. no_hypocrisy May 2016 #60

Sadly, we, may share the blame question everything May 2016 #63

3rd world countries with illiterate and semi-literate populations don't have a problem with voting. -none May 2016 #68

Getting a DL isn't complicated TeddyR May 2016 #82

Voting shouldn't be complicated either. -none May 2016 #85

They shouldn't have to get a driver's license if they don't drive. And they don't. WillowTree May 2016 #90

Can you point me to the part of my post that favored TeddyR May 2016 #92

During Primaries in closed primary states, many voters party preferences were flipped to Independent -none May 2016 #126

Re your picture vote idea TeddyR May 2016 #83

You can put pictures/graphics on voting machines. -none May 2016 #86

Terrible oversight in the Bill of Rights. Should be rectified ASAP. senz May 2016 #89

The right to vote is already in the Constitution n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #94

I wish it were, but it's not. n/t senz May 2016 #101

Hmmm SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #103

Yes, odd, isn't it? And yet the right has not been constiutionally guaranteed. senz May 2016 #109

Yes, by all means SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #111

Damnit!! Why is this crap still happening??? ailsagirl May 2016 #91

What sort of ID do you think is acceptable for voting? TeddyR May 2016 #93

If the state does the work of getting the IDs together and distributing them, fine. gollygee May 2016 #123

Your voter registration card should be sufficient. alarimer May 2016 #142

What's it going to be like for the general election? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #131

Of course, they wouldn't let her vote. She's black. That's the law in third world U.S. nt valerief May 2016 #132

well if every Democratic lawyer could take one voting rigbts case to the courts. Mary Mac May 2016 #133

confirms what I have suspected heaven05 May 2016 #138

Outrageous and very hurtful. But then, are we sure our votes are being counted anyway? jalan48 May 2016 #141

VA election official here IWII May 2016 #147

Thanks for post and welcome to DU. n/t FSogol May 2016 #149

Thank you for taking the time to clear up some issues (or misconceptions) ailsagirl May 2016 #158

"I made him (another) temporary ID and he voted---R." WillowTree May 2016 #159

You would know in a primary gollygee May 2016 #161

Ah. An open primary state. WillowTree May 2016 #165

GollyGee is correct IWII May 2016 #163

Welcome and thanks for posting! Maeve May 2016 #169

I think the politicians are wrong, too IWII May 2016 #171

Thanks--we won't always agree Maeve May 2016 #173

Politicians all say they want everyone to vote Angry Dragon May 2016 #172

Anyone Know ? DustyJoe May 2016 #177

She wasn't denied the right to vote n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #178

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