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sendero

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42. There is something I try very hard to live by...

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:11 PM

Jun 2012

... I don't care if the source was Satan himself or Mother Teresa. What MATTERS is whether the information is accurate, the analysis makes sense, and stuff like that.

I might be slightly more suspicious of a source I don't like, but to treat information as valueless based on the source is not that smart IMHO.

The facts as I see them are simple: we had a great economy under Clinton but his policies made damn sure that it could not continue. Opening one way trade floodgates with China, NAFTA, dismantling banking and other financial regulation - all have a huge hand in today's problems.

Folks who think that only Republicans have taken us to the messed up place we are at are either quite ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Republicans are worse, but only a bit as of late.

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If You Think Clinton Was Good For The Economy, Then You Don't Understand The Economy [View all] FarCenter Jun 2012 OP

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #1

I disagree. denverbill Jun 2012 #2

Consider that Clinton reappointed Greenspan twice, 1995 and just before the 2000 election FarCenter Jun 2012 #6

The author claims Bill was to blame for the 2008 meltdown 8 years after he left office Major Nikon Jun 2012 #16

Dont you get it? Dokkie Jun 2012 #24

No, I don't Major Nikon Jun 2012 #53

Good point if you focus entirely on the stock market and ignore his policies. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #25

Well said. I think the OP imports a revised history -- against Democrats. Festivito Jun 2012 #54

Few Of Us Know What A Real Good Economy Is... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #3

Exactly. He and his cohorts worked tirelessly to contain the spread of wealth and to suppress the Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #26

..and we get ripped for "blaming" Bush... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #4

Not to mention cbrer Jun 2012 #5

So few people realize how central edhopper Jun 2012 #44

I couldn't tell how the economy was back then slackmaster Jun 2012 #7

And St. Ronnie was even worse WI_DEM Jun 2012 #8

And the Senator was right. We've been warned more times than I care to count over a period of Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #28

that's such a shit source cali Jun 2012 #9

But the author of the piece is Dean Baker, with progressive credentials FarCenter Jun 2012 #12

He's being used. BI has an anti President Obama and anti dem party agenda cali Jun 2012 #15

Whatever, shoot the messenger if you can't deal with the message... FarCenter Jun 2012 #17

The message is even easier to deal with Major Nikon Jun 2012 #18

There is something I try very hard to live by... sendero Jun 2012 #42

People tend to wax nostalgic about the Clinton years...... marmar Jun 2012 #10

Clinton was best president for the The Second Stone Jun 2012 #11

Both parties applaud reappointment of Greenspan to head US Federal Reserve FarCenter Jun 2012 #14

My internal alarms start ringing when someone uses the phrase "both parties" a lot. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #45

I posted the headline without changing it - but maybe the World Socialist Web Site is over the top! FarCenter Jun 2012 #47

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #50

yeah, he's excellent on "admitting his mistakes" after the fact. "mistakes were made" on haiti, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #32

Admitting mistakes does not edit/delete them out of existence and yes, those "mistakes" TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #37

one thing for sure, income inequality has grown steadily G_j Jun 2012 #13

under Clinton, the gap between rich and poor shrank dramatically. bigtree Jun 2012 #20

I suppose it would be more accurate to say wage stagnation has been steady for the "99%" G_j Jun 2012 #22

Not true, see graph below FarCenter Jun 2012 #23

Thanks for going to the trouble to debunk that BS. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #29

there are graphs and graphs bigtree Jun 2012 #36

i did it for you. seems you're misinformed. see that big jump in the top 1% starting about 94-95? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #34

looks like I am misinformed bigtree Jun 2012 #38

wages went up, but not dramatically. clinton did "welfare reform" -- it's on his watch that we HiPointDem Jun 2012 #39

incomes went up quite a bit bigtree Jun 2012 #49

i think if you dig into the statistics you'll find the gains for median workers and under were not HiPointDem Jun 2012 #52

I lived it as a working man with a young family bigtree Jun 2012 #19

He was an enthusiastic free-trading globalist through and through Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #21

This argument is seriously deformed cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #27

You make the author's point in your reply. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #31

"made almost all the gains they've made since 1980" is no particular recommendation as they HiPointDem Jun 2012 #40

The gains were reversed cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #41

boom economies are typically better for workers than bust economies, or seem to be. but HiPointDem Jun 2012 #48

When was Glass- Stegall ended? bahrbearian Jun 2012 #30

1999 by the passage of Gramm-Leah-Bliley Act FarCenter Jun 2012 #43

Major unrec...CLinton knew what he was doing until his last joeybee12 Jun 2012 #33

NAFTA bahrbearian Jun 2012 #35

and the point is? spanone Jun 2012 #46

Please tell us how good/bad he was, COMPARED TO THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE AND AFTER HIM. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #51