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In reply to the discussion: In Gorilla's Death, Critics Blame Mother, Cincinnati Zoo [View all]Orrex
(67,375 posts)69. Again, that's your problem and not mine
Nowhere did I claim nor imply that only two options exist, and it is incorrect of you to claim otherwise.
Everything in your post that follows from your incorrect claim can be disregarded, but I'll humor you.
There is no real hypothetical when the hypothetical obviously doesn't exist and any reasonably knowledgeable person knows that the hypothetical doesn't exist.
Are you perhaps not familiar with what the term "hypothetical" means?
Putting an "if" in front of it doesn't get you off the hook, since it doesn't change the unreality of that hypothetical.
There's nothing to "get off the hook." Despite your insistence, it's simply not a false dichotomy, full stop.
Also, as a hypothetical, it is inherently speculative and suppositional. Why is that a problem for you? By your reasoning, every hypothetical decision made between two hypothetical options must therefore be a false dichotomy, which obviously isn't the case.
If we're driving on a wet and slippery road, and you're at the wheel, and there are plastic bottles lying in the road, and in order to avoid hitting them you tell me well if I go to the right we'll fall off a cliff and if I go to the left we'll crash into the wall, well, I'd rather crash into the wall, I'd tell you, If I could get the words out of mouth in time " those aren't the only 2 choices! Go straight!!" Putting an "if" in front doesn't change the false dilemma/dichotomy of it all.
Actually, yet it does. Completely. And your example has nothing to do with the current discussion in general nor my own hypothetical in particular.
When you posit a hypothetical, you are free to set the terms of that hypothetical however you see fit. The hypothetical can freely exclude all options except two, even if in reality there are many more options. Because the example is hypothetical, and because it does not purport to represent the whole of reality, the example is absolutely not bound by the constraints of reality. The listener is free to reject the hypothetical, but the listener can't simply say "that's not reality," because no shit. It's a hypothetical. This is fundamental to logic and has been so for thousands of years. The fact that you don't care for it is irrelevant.
But if for pedantry's sake, if you wish me to classify my objection to what you wrote as a "stupid hypothetical" rather than a "false dichotomy", well I'm cool with that.
Again, the listener is free to reject the hypothetical, but the reader has no authority to declare the hypothetical "stupid" without explaining why it is perceived to be so. And in any case a "stupid" hypothetical doesn't necessarily entail a failure of logic, as a false dichotomy does. The listener will be incorrect if he attempts to reject an argument (as you did) on the grounds that the hypothetical is a false dichotomy when it clearly is not. That's not pedantry; it's basic critical thought.
Bottom line: it is unfortunate that the child made it into the enclosure, and it is unfortunate that the keepers opted to shoot the gorilla, but it appears that in the circumstances the keepers made the best decision available to them.
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Because of its size - 450 lbs- the gorilla could have easily harmed the child, likely ca 40 lbs,
No Vested Interest
May 2016
#4
I saw part of the film and the gorilla did not look like there was any intent of direct
RKP5637
May 2016
#76
when you're at the zoo and your child tells you he intends to go into the pool
magical thyme
May 2016
#28
Agreed blame is perhaps not the right word, however, the child should not have been
still_one
May 2016
#13
I suspect if it was your four year old down there, you would feel differently.
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#23
MY four year old kid wouldn't have been down there because my wife doesn't like going to zoos
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#30
Your inability to imagine situations outside of your limited experience speaks volumes
Orrex
May 2016
#43
Glad you support the murder of an animal. All animals in nature are equal, but some are more
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#29
Careful--someone might mistake your over-the-top hyperbole for an actual argument
Orrex
May 2016
#61
Thanks. I still have a scar from having a hole punched in my hand by a "tame" mountain lion.
nolabear
May 2016
#56
There's no way the kid should have been able to get into the moat in the first place.
Bad Dog
May 2016
#7
The video of the gorilla violently dragging the boy by the ankle showed the zoo had no choice.
SunSeeker
May 2016
#9
Well, okay then, it’s a preference expressed (disguised?) in a hypothetical format. . .
Stargleamer
May 2016
#87
Not everything can be made idiot-proof, but surely a gorilla cage can be made child-proof. (nt)
stone space
May 2016
#21
Blaming the mother is absurd, unless she boosted the child over the fence on her shoulders.
stone space
May 2016
#22
Not closely monitoring a four year old who you have brought to a place of danger the child can't
Bluenorthwest
May 2016
#35
I remember back when i was a wayward young man and was experimenting with the evil weed
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#93