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In reply to the discussion: In Gorilla's Death, Critics Blame Mother, Cincinnati Zoo [View all]Orrex
(67,565 posts)77. Perhaps you unfamiliar with "imply" versus "infer"
Okay, then it's stupid/specious/disingenuous because you obviously knew there were more than 2 options but you presented only 2 as if that's all there was.
No, I absolutely did not. I was positing a choice between two options, and I certainly was not in any way suggesting that those are the only two options. My choice to exclude them from the hypothetical does not imply that they don't exist in reality.
Well, if you don't see any "implying" or "insinuating" there well to use your words "that's your problem, not mine". You knew there were more than 2 options but you purposely left others out.
I implied nothing of the sort. It appears that you have inferred that, but you have inferred incorrectly. That's your problem, not mine.
"If global warming is not occurring, then. . ." is a hypothetical that references an untrue reality which is what yours did and which is what I meant to say rather than what I wrote. (In other words I concede that my wording re hypotheticals was off/wrong). Not that such utterances can be without value, for ex: "if global warming is not occurring then we would expect. .. ."
That's actually a terrific example, so I'm gratified to see that understand how hypothetical examples work after all.
When the hypothetical is proposed, the listener is free to reject or accept it, no harm/no foul. Here's my statement again:
If the option is alive in a cage or dead in the back of a poacher's truck, I'd say that the cage is a better option.
You reject that if/then formulation; so be it. You apparently identify the first clause as false; so be it. You are saying, in effect, "the choice is not between alive in a cage or dead in the back of a poacher's truck." So be it.
But I'm sorry--that doesn't mean that it's stupid/specious/disingenuous; it means only that you reject it as false, because you are unwilling to posit the choice between only those two options.
It also doesn't mean--in any way--that I'm implying that only those two options exist in reality, and I frankly see no way to interpret the statement that way. What I am stating is that between Option A and Option B, Option A is preferable. You may feel that Option B is preferable, and that's fine, because we can certainly disagree. But our disagreement doesn't mean that the hypothetical is specious/stupid/disingenuous.
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Because of its size - 450 lbs- the gorilla could have easily harmed the child, likely ca 40 lbs,
No Vested Interest
May 2016
#4
I saw part of the film and the gorilla did not look like there was any intent of direct
RKP5637
May 2016
#76
when you're at the zoo and your child tells you he intends to go into the pool
magical thyme
May 2016
#28
Agreed blame is perhaps not the right word, however, the child should not have been
still_one
May 2016
#13
I suspect if it was your four year old down there, you would feel differently.
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#23
MY four year old kid wouldn't have been down there because my wife doesn't like going to zoos
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#30
Your inability to imagine situations outside of your limited experience speaks volumes
Orrex
May 2016
#43
Glad you support the murder of an animal. All animals in nature are equal, but some are more
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#29
Careful--someone might mistake your over-the-top hyperbole for an actual argument
Orrex
May 2016
#61
Thanks. I still have a scar from having a hole punched in my hand by a "tame" mountain lion.
nolabear
May 2016
#56
There's no way the kid should have been able to get into the moat in the first place.
Bad Dog
May 2016
#7
The video of the gorilla violently dragging the boy by the ankle showed the zoo had no choice.
SunSeeker
May 2016
#9
Well, okay then, it’s a preference expressed (disguised?) in a hypothetical format. . .
Stargleamer
May 2016
#87
Not everything can be made idiot-proof, but surely a gorilla cage can be made child-proof. (nt)
stone space
May 2016
#21
Blaming the mother is absurd, unless she boosted the child over the fence on her shoulders.
stone space
May 2016
#22
Not closely monitoring a four year old who you have brought to a place of danger the child can't
Bluenorthwest
May 2016
#35
I remember back when i was a wayward young man and was experimenting with the evil weed
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#93