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brett_jv

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177. Very true ... what's so sad is that there's enough blame to go around for EVERYONE ...

Mon May 30, 2016, 04:51 PM

May 2016

Except the poor animal that had to die ... he did nothing wrong.

And to the people that think for one second the gorilla brought it on himself by dragging the child around ... that really didn't matter. There was NO way any human would've been permitted into the cage to attempt to rescue the boy no matter WHAT the animals demeanor. You cannot trust Male Silverback 450lb gorillas to not harm a person entering their enclosure.

I mean, if the gorilla had been smart enough to run away from the kid and into a building (if it has such a thing in it's enclosure) where it could then been locked up/away from the kid, then yeah. It could've saved itself. But that's the only way the gorilla could've ended up surviving. Not his fault he's not THAT smart (possibly the ability for him to even do so ... doesn't exist).

His dragging the child through the water may've hastened his demise but ultimately the action taken ... was the only solution. A 'rescue' would've been impossible because it'd have involved zoo workers entering the enclosure ... not happening.

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What a shock, Gorilla Killa Mom is a Jay-sus freak [View all] ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 OP

Memo to Mommy: The same God saltpoint May 2016 #1

And the same god she credits with saving the baby SCantiGOP May 2016 #138

Seems like it would be the logical thing, yes. saltpoint May 2016 #174

That's because the average person SCantiGOP May 2016 #185

Why does her religion even matter? stone space May 2016 #2

I was wondering the same thing SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #3

What is the purpose of "religion"? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #13

I guess it's to shoot gorillas. It would saltpoint May 2016 #21

It is the cognitive dissonance elljay May 2016 #44

^ This right here. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #54

YOU get it. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #70

👆 this! deathrind May 2016 #82

I've never understood the cognitive process involved SusanCalvin May 2016 #136

I'm with ya Susan passiveporcupine May 2016 #154

Going to church cured me of God. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #162

Yeah, it did for me too. passiveporcupine May 2016 #186

We strolled the same path to our current position, passiveporcupine. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #196

I've never been religious for a minute. SusanCalvin May 2016 #221

Nuns and "church people" cured me. Hassin Bin Sober May 2016 #266

True. deathrind May 2016 #209

That's about the way I've always seen it. SusanCalvin May 2016 #219

Humans are still barbaric in so many ways, including believing in mysticism and myth. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #267

Right there with you. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #257

YUUUUP ^^^^^^^ Nay May 2016 #117

Amen!!! GliderGuider May 2016 #128

You forgot greiner3 May 2016 #132

You'd think maybe that someone so in touch with God could have stopped for a second.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #4

I'm sorry, I just don't get all the hate for the parents. eShirl May 2016 #7

The Zoo in Cincinnati does blame the parents. saltpoint May 2016 #14

not my point eShirl May 2016 #16

No, but it's what happened. Which kind of, saltpoint May 2016 #17

I don't get the HATE. That is my point. eShirl May 2016 #19

Try 'disregard.' It will get you a lot closer saltpoint May 2016 #23

Are you a parent of 2 or more children close to the same age? Jim Beard May 2016 #250

I hadn't even considering shooting the parent. saltpoint May 2016 #259

Your biggest problem here is you see it as "hate". It's not hate. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #62

Citation please. CincyDem May 2016 #58

The error is mine. I read the headlines, saltpoint May 2016 #69

It's ALWAYS tawdry and cheap whenever that is done. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #73

Agree, only with greater emphasis than saltpoint May 2016 #75

And if God really wanted to save the day, he could have stopped the kid from Nay May 2016 #124

Yep. I'm thinking the kid saw his chance to answer saltpoint May 2016 #170

Cool beans. Thanks for the clarification. CincyDem May 2016 #80

The phrasing was used to suggest the absence of saltpoint May 2016 #87

ROXIE !!! CincyDem May 2016 #115

CincyDem, I saltpoint May 2016 #169

I suspect the zoo is taking responsibility completely passiveporcupine May 2016 #160

Cincinnati ZOO needs to BILL THAT STUPID WOMAN for the wonderful gorilla trueblue2007 May 2016 #173

Thought I'd share this. CincyDem May 2016 #205

CincyDem, that part I said earlier about saltpoint May 2016 #207

What they did was far worse, they were indiffferent. avebury May 2016 #96

Had the enclosure been properly designed and maintained to keep children out, pnwmom May 2016 #145

do you have a link for this? passiveporcupine May 2016 #165

There are numerous stories and video clips out on the internet. avebury May 2016 #194

Thanks for the links. passiveporcupine May 2016 #203

Humans pretty much inevitably screw up everything they do ToxMarz May 2016 #110

No, they just totally let their kid climb in there with no supervision. nt Logical May 2016 #118

take a 4 year old to the zoo KT2000 May 2016 #131

Let me help you ..... Silver_Witch May 2016 #217

No mention of the death of Harambe in their statement at all. It's about them and God saving... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #9

Agree with this. Mommy's remarks were saltpoint May 2016 #24

"litte spawn"? stone space May 2016 #148

My daughter refers to her kids as 'spawnlings'. They refer to themselves the same on Mother's Day .. ebayfool Jun 2016 #275

She's the one who brought it up. Ask her. eom saltpoint May 2016 #5

We agree, Stone pintobean May 2016 #10

What does "God" gave to with it and why does that matter? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #11

The mother is thankful her child lived yeoman6987 May 2016 #129

She thanked God for arranging for the gorilla to die muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #144

You are 100 percent wrong and too embarrassing to assist yeoman6987 May 2016 #183

She just appreciated Jesus choosing her kid over the gorilla... TipTok May 2016 #29

The mouse in the bottom image saltpoint May 2016 #30

Perfect. (nt) enough May 2016 #35

Where did she mention "evangelical Jesus"? Of "Jay-sus", for that matter? stone space May 2016 #40

And then Jesus cast a holy nutshot unto his enemies. Oneironaut May 2016 #122

It wouldn't have been if she hadn't brought it up. It's interesting that those that want rhett o rick May 2016 #91

Because it is made up shit. nt Logical May 2016 #116

It lets her off the hook for not watching over her son at the zoo. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2016 #153

It shouldn't, but she made it a public issue. passiveporcupine May 2016 #156

Her religion matters because... camelfan May 2016 #157

it always matters to the sanctimonious Skittles May 2016 #208

Imo, this characterization of religious people is Hortensis May 2016 #6

I would say it was Mommy's point, not saltpoint May 2016 #8

Some of us just do not understand why "God" is always given credit for the good things but... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #18

I work in Hospice care. God is blamed quite a bit. n/t actslikeacarrot May 2016 #159

He has some sensational PR people outside saltpoint May 2016 #172

Please ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #25

Increasingly, there's no evidence of it, saltpoint May 2016 #26

RELIGION: The single most destructive force in the universe! And I DARE anyone to attempt to... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #33

Strong evidence in support of that claim, saltpoint May 2016 #34

just saw this thread in the science group passiveporcupine May 2016 #195

Sometimes religious folks get in the way of science and technology. stone space May 2016 #202

No argument... 3catwoman3 May 2016 #214

Black holes. rug May 2016 #216

Lol pintobean May 2016 #222

There you went! Nice to see you yet again! PLEASE EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING POST: ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #229

It was extremely successful. pintobean May 2016 #234

How is it that you were able to respond months later to a post that was hidden/locked in January? ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #235

Magic beans. pintobean May 2016 #238

OK, you're unable or unwilling to explain. I expected no less. I do wonder though how you... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #239

Why would you think I owe you anything? pintobean May 2016 #240

You obviously were somehow able to post to my long-ago hidden thread and I am just curious... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #242

The text never changed. pintobean May 2016 #243

You're lost, it's this post I'm curious about... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #247

I'm not lost. You didn't understand. pintobean May 2016 #249

You're attempting to deflect, yet again. How were you able to... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #253

Another threat? pintobean May 2016 #256

Of course, perhaps that would be true if I weren't speaking figuratively. If I was speaking... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #226

I dunno. Religion may be more destructive than gamma ray bursts. rug May 2016 #228

As far as we know, gamma ray bursts don't destroy human lives and minds like... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #232

I see evidence to the contrary throughout this thread. rug May 2016 #233

What would possibly give you that idea? TipTok May 2016 #31

Clearly, the problem here was her religion. hughee99 May 2016 #12

YES. An atheist would never allow this to happen. Drahthaardogs May 2016 #47

"Right people in the right place..." joeybee12 May 2016 #15

That set you off? The woman's son was almost killed and just got out of the hospital, and you braddy May 2016 #20

"whatever religion she is..." ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #22

"God" had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of this tragedy. "God" was included in the... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #27

Seconded. It was Mommy who saltpoint May 2016 #28

The woman who just almost lost her son, didn't bring anything into "the discussion", she merely braddy May 2016 #32

I'm glad her son is ok. Ecstatic, even. But "God" had NOTHING to do with it. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #36

LOL, bizarre. braddy May 2016 #39

What's "bizzare"? I'll tell you what's bizzare, the belief that "God" had anything at all to do... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #42

Write her a letter telling her of your concern. This overwrought reaction to her braddy May 2016 #46

"Overwrought", haha! Your attempt to deflect this observation is what is bizzare. Your implied... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #51

The point... TipTok May 2016 #37

She didn't mention Jesus, she said God, this is your big concern today after this near death event? braddy May 2016 #41

The child is ok and as such is no longer a concern beyond being happy for him. But "God"... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #48

Correction... It was not a near death event... TipTok May 2016 #112

That's a cold and ignorant defense of a saltpoint May 2016 #38

No. She voluntarily made a comment on facebook. Ms. Toad May 2016 #142

The woman is under siege and made a statement to the media coverage and hostile people who braddy May 2016 #149

The woman was not under seige until AFTER her facebook post. Ms. Toad May 2016 #161

Nonsense, the woman and child came under attack instantly, and she put out a statement braddy May 2016 #167

You are clearly reading a very different statement than I am. Ms. Toad May 2016 #178

The timeline of ID doesn't matter, she was under siege and responded with a reasonable mom statement braddy May 2016 #181

It certainly does matter, since in the post I initially responded to you claimed Ms. Toad May 2016 #187

LOL, she was the recipient of a national attack on her and her boy, she is the mom of a boy braddy May 2016 #188

Now you're backtracking and are claiming she's just responding again. Ms. Toad May 2016 #190

She was responding, you forget that she is the mom who is the subject of the attacks and put downs braddy May 2016 #191

Read her actual facebook comment. Look at when she posted it. Look at who she was speaking to. Ms. Toad May 2016 #198

I'm not building anything, I have no idea why you are obsessed with this simple rescue story. braddy May 2016 #200

Please tell her God to keep her kids out of animal enclosures jberryhill May 2016 #49

This is truly a childish thread. braddy May 2016 #50

Oh, boo hoo ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #55

It's a contest pintobean May 2016 #63

Well while you're apparently in your own contest as to who can be the most smug and... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #71

I'm not holier than anyone pintobean May 2016 #74

Well, you do always seem to be around. So, please explain how I'm being small with my... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #77

It's not a special occasion for some. pintobean May 2016 #79

Please explain how I am being small because I have my doubts that "God" happened to be at... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #81

Also, since we're talking and all, HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO RESPOND TO MY POST HIDDEN IN JANUARY? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #83

Please explain how I'm being small and PLEASE EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING POST: ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #97

How so? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #65

I agree, there have been times I have said, "Thank God" after the end of a stressful situation and Jim Beard May 2016 #255

Perhaps God can make gorilla cages childproof, since mere mortals appear incapable of doing so. stone space May 2016 #59

The kid wasn't almost killed. christx30 May 2016 #133

He was dragging the kid violently, and his handling alone could maim/kill the kid. braddy May 2016 #139

He was not violentlly dragging the kid passiveporcupine May 2016 #171

Yes, violently, regardless of his intentions it was violent and harming the boy, and could have braddy May 2016 #175

He was dragging the child "roughly" for the age, condition, and breed of the child passiveporcupine May 2016 #182

There's no way to tell what the gorilla was thinking or what it was planning to do with the child. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #197

In the wild that can be true, but not always passiveporcupine May 2016 #201

That may be the case, but the point is... Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #261

You have not seen unedited version of the video. Ms. Toad May 2016 #151

agreed passiveporcupine May 2016 #176

I had to search for the unedited version, too. mnhtnbb May 2016 #184

What would you think she should say "Oh if only they let the gorilla kill my kid!" JPnoodleman May 2016 #43

No, but elljay May 2016 #53

Indeed. eom saltpoint May 2016 #57

Absolutely perfect response...if only. Thank you, elljay. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #66

Most mom's don't have speech writers and value their kids over a gorilla. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #78

It does not require a speech writer to have some self-awareness, Ms. Toad May 2016 #164

This may be hard to accept, JPnoodleman May 2016 #230

That is a gross mischaracterization of the interactions between the two. Ms. Toad May 2016 #236

Do you have children? JPnoodleman May 2016 #241

Yes, I do. Ms. Toad May 2016 #245

I won't, JPnoodleman May 2016 #246

The requested apology was for your insulting assumptions about people who disagree with you Ms. Toad May 2016 #248

Different people have ridiculous opinions.... JPnoodleman May 2016 #251

Again, the requested apology is not because you disagree with me. Ms. Toad May 2016 #258

She is taking no responsibility for what happened. alarimer May 2016 #84

Her only concern is her kid is alive, n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #100

Actually Old Codger May 2016 #45

Checking Noah's ark manifest... saltpoint May 2016 #52

Thanking God that your child has been spared death hardly makes one a freak Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #56

You can change "as much as" to "more than" if you want ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #68

No - the faithful can be major jerks as well Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #72

Thank you, great post. Eom uppityperson May 2016 #76

Agreed. It is a message to those who lost children that God didn't care about their kids jberryhill May 2016 #86

YES. That, and the idiotic notion that God could save her boy by causing the gorilla Nay May 2016 #123

What kind of an idiot doesn't hold onto rusty fender May 2016 #60

The Gorilla was part of her Gods kingdom as well, if she had kept an eye on her kid they'd both onecaliberal May 2016 #61

It's obviously what God wanted... TipTok May 2016 #67

Who is Jay-sus? stone space May 2016 #64

"Jesus" must also have remorse for telling her to have so many children BuelahWitch May 2016 #85

How dare she! dawg May 2016 #88

Besides....it's just a dumb animal!!!! It means about as much as a plastic straw!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #89

It doesn't mean as much as the life of a child, that's for damn sure. dawg May 2016 #92

Not many if any said it did ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #94

Not many, if any, said that either. dawg May 2016 #98

Bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #105

The issue of zoos is one thing, but take that up with the people that run them. dawg May 2016 #111

Folks who are using this incident to display their religious hate-on don't give a shit about... stone space May 2016 #231

It sure as fuck does! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #99

I can't even imagine the way your mind must work. dawg May 2016 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #106

Yours works normally. pintobean May 2016 #141

Explain, please. Orrex May 2016 #104

You accept whatever you want to because, frankly, I don't care. The callous disregard for Harambe.. ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #113

I haven't seen anyone on DU suggest that the gorilla didn't deserve to live... Orrex May 2016 #127

I have no issue with anything you said there. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #130

DAMN YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME!!!!1! Orrex May 2016 #147

IKR, lol! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #150

Pretty much exactly how I feel ... brett_jv May 2016 #163

There are lots of living things saltpoint May 2016 #90

No one is saying it wasn't a tragedy, but just damn. dawg May 2016 #95

Nearly lost her own child due to her negligence... TipTok May 2016 #114

I'm with the living things exhibit. saltpoint May 2016 #168

And why should she trust that a zoo enclosure was properly built to keep children out? pnwmom May 2016 #108

Especially when the child, by eyewitness accounts, informed the mother of his intention Ms. Toad May 2016 #166

I still want facts MFM008 May 2016 #93

Fact: the zoo's enclosure wasn't 4-year-old-proof. It's surprising this hadn't already happened. nt pnwmom May 2016 #107

And they were not paying attention at all. nt Logical May 2016 #120

Child-proof design is supposed to account for a parent's temporary inattention. pnwmom May 2016 #125

Has not happened in years, so I blame the parents. nt Logical May 2016 #126

Some people love to blame parents. It must make them proud of themselves pnwmom May 2016 #134

Parents should be charged. nt Logical May 2016 #137

is there such a thing as a safe and fast acting tranquilizer? passiveporcupine May 2016 #179

The mother didn't kill the gorilla, so the nickname makes no sense. Orrex May 2016 #101

I'm an atheist and prefer gorillas to children gwheezie May 2016 #103

I hope she will pray for guidance TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #109

Why did God allow her son to fall into the cage? Oneironaut May 2016 #119

African gorilla? I'm surprised she didn't say "It's Obama's fault"... NT vkkv May 2016 #121

"Accidents happen"?? red dog 1 May 2016 #135

It was bad zoo design. The enclosure couldn't even keep a 4 year old out. pnwmom May 2016 #143

if she was a black welfare mother the county would have already thrown her in jail by now bluestateguy May 2016 #140

Some questions Arizona Roadrunner May 2016 #146

I seem to recall a story about three foot barriers and a zoo a few years ago ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #155

Why does this story remind me of this... yuiyoshida May 2016 #152

How about the responsibility of the zoo to create LibDemAlways May 2016 #158

Very true ... what's so sad is that there's enough blame to go around for EVERYONE ... brett_jv May 2016 #177

Does it matter? Brickbat May 2016 #180

Looking at the reasoning in this thread pintobean May 2016 #189

I'm completely at a loss when it comes to the time and energy people are devoting to this story. Brickbat May 2016 #206

Which has absolutely nothing to do with this. nt LostOne4Ever May 2016 #192

Why should she have to keep and I on her kid when God is babysittin Monk06 May 2016 #193

Typical Fundie arrogance bluestateguy May 2016 #199

Hopefully the zoo will do the right thing and not get another gorilla. dilby May 2016 #204

I don't approve of internet shaming this woman. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #210

why was it so easy for a kid to get into the pen in the first place?? frankieallen May 2016 #211

Kids, like roaches, SwankyXomb May 2016 #227

So what? I believe 840high May 2016 #212

God had nothing to do with it...as there is no god Silver_Witch May 2016 #213

Irrelevant unless... moondust May 2016 #215

Who the fuck cares? Odin2005 May 2016 #218

Yeah it's just a fucking gorilla, right dude? ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #269

Right, because every Christian is a Dominionist, HURR DURR! Odin2005 May 2016 #270

You need to pray for reading comprehension ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #271

I'm a Buddhist, not a Christian, but OK, whatever. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #272

Of all the (finite) issues this story raises, you, hands down, have picked the most irrelevant. rug May 2016 #220

forgive me if this has been discussed Takket May 2016 #223

He apparently crawled through the barrier, not climbed over it BuelahWitch May 2016 #225

God's gonna kill all of the ... Tortmaster May 2016 #224

Jesus pulled the trigger. Lint Head May 2016 #237

is this "/r/atheism?" now? Jesus Christ you people are dense.... JPnoodleman May 2016 #244

Cincinnati Police says parents of 4-year old boy who climbed into Gorilla enclosure may be charged Judi Lynn May 2016 #252

This OP is disgusting; both the religion bashing, CAG May 2016 #254

The vile, disgusting posts in this thread are why I think "New Atheists" are shitty people. Odin2005 May 2016 #260

They are racists in a new way. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2016 #273

I agree completely! Odin2005 Jun 2016 #274

These people are struggling to turn their lives around, why mock them and their faith? braddy May 2016 #262

So? I am glad this kid is ok. bigwillq May 2016 #263

Psalm 32 bobthedrummer May 2016 #264

"Gorilla Killa Mom"? KamaAina May 2016 #265

So it was Mom who put the bullet to the gorilla? cynatnite May 2016 #268