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Bucky

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41. Discussion is never a futile act

Reply to Odin2005 (Reply #39)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:15 AM

May 2016

frustrating, sure, but not futile

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In defense of Harry S. Truman and the decision he had to make. [View all] MohRokTah May 2016 OP

Yes. He most certainly did. Press Virginia May 2016 #1

I say this with skin in the game. MohRokTah May 2016 #5

Yeah me too 47of74 May 2016 #21

My dad had started the war fighting the Japanese, later doing interdiction on German shipping and braddy May 2016 #33

Hindsight is always 20/20... Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #2

And yet people want that job so badly. tavernier May 2016 #3

Sorry. can't defend genocide. (nt) stone space May 2016 #4

Claiming it was genocide is ridiculous. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #6

Oh, silly me! stone space May 2016 #8

Yes, claiming it was genocide is the height of falsehood. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #9

The word does not mean what he thinks it means. Press Virginia May 2016 #11

Given that more than 120 million people of Japanese descent still live in Japan, ... MohRokTah May 2016 #12

I don't think that word means what you think it means. nt TeamPooka May 2016 #18

Ridiculous. mwooldri May 2016 #19

There's also the problem of no one blaming the Japanese leaders fort their role Bucky May 2016 #7

He had two bombs in the entire arsenal. MohRokTah May 2016 #10

That feels like a good argument, but the documentary record doesn't support it Bucky May 2016 #34

Using nuclear weapons (and primarily against civilians) will always be indefensible. NT LostOne4Ever May 2016 #13

But only 71 years after the fact. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #14

No it was wrong then too. nt LostOne4Ever May 2016 #16

Completely disagree. MohRokTah May 2016 #23

I'll take General MacArthur over yourself, thanks Scootaloo May 2016 #29

and yet seven years later that same MacArthur got fired by that same Truman... Bucky May 2016 #35

You're doing fine with just using logic Bucky May 2016 #40

It's May, not August. roamer65 May 2016 #15

Fuck Nuclear Genocide! (nt) stone space May 2016 #17

Even if one accepts that, one nuke was enough. Japan was badly beaten already. They weren't a threat Hoyt May 2016 #20

But of course Truman's job was also about making sure Japan wouldn't be a future threat Bucky May 2016 #36

Well, we didn't nuke Germany -- can't help but believe the fact Japanese are Asian had something Hoyt May 2016 #43

Maybe you should learn some history before jumping right to racism Lee-Lee May 2016 #45

Would you take Eisenhower's opinion: Hoyt May 2016 #51

Germany was never considered because targeting discussion started in spring 1945 Lee-Lee May 2016 #57

No, targeting and planning started long before. Hoyt May 2016 #58

No, it didn't- you clearly don't have a clue Lee-Lee May 2016 #62

This is why you have to study facts before arguing Bucky May 2016 #48

The plan was in place for over a year before, they ruled out Germany. Considering the time, and way Hoyt May 2016 #91

Nonsense MosheFeingold May 2016 #90

We would have nuked Germany. MohRokTah May 2016 #94

Germany was always first at bat. xmas74 May 2016 #96

Over a million soldiers, under arms, in the China theater at the time of surrender Hoyt... Marengo May 2016 #42

I know, and Vietnamese and Iraqis were threat to us too. There's always some BS argument for killing Hoyt May 2016 #46

Ah, so fuck everyone in territories occupied by Japanese forces... Marengo May 2016 #68

Yeah, our segregated troops, internment of Japanese, etc., indicate we were morally superior. Hoyt May 2016 #73

LOL! Please cite allied atrocities on the scale of the Imperial Japanese Marengo May 2016 #74

We are talking about the end of the war and whether it was necessary to nuke them. Even Eisenhower Hoyt May 2016 #76

Did Imperial Japanese forces surrender prior to the bombings? Marengo May 2016 #80

Without our intervention, Europe would have been screwed. yeoman6987 May 2016 #83

By the time we decided to kill innocent Japanese, they were no threat to anyone. They were worse Hoyt May 2016 #88

The Chinese? Who were shooting at us a few years later? jberryhill May 2016 #82

And what of China circa 1931-45? The same China that fought Japan virtually alone... Marengo May 2016 #87

(ha ha, the Russians sure made 'em look that way!) Bucky May 2016 #50

1,385,000 excluding Manchuria, and as I remember the Soviets had little interest... Marengo May 2016 #65

The Racist, Militarist Leadership Had Plenty Of Chance To End The War Vogon_Glory May 2016 #22

Several years ago there was an excellent program called The War question everything May 2016 #24

I just wish the atomic bomb had been ready a couple of years earlier. Nye Bevan May 2016 #25

Blowing up children while they play is good, you see DemocraticWing May 2016 #26

Thanks. In addition, there was no TV, no internet and the US was attacked by the JDPriestly May 2016 #27

Read "Racing the Enemy" by Tsuyoshi Hasegawa Bucky May 2016 #37

Hiroshima was a horrible event, but the decision to drop the bomb JDPriestly May 2016 #86

There were tens of thousands of Allied POW's and civilians imprisoned in slave labor camps Trust Buster May 2016 #28

First, it's Harry S Truman jberryhill May 2016 #30

Tens thousands of US POW's and other nations slave laborers being starved and worked to death Lee-Lee May 2016 #47

And the North Koreans were more reasonable? jberryhill May 2016 #61

There was no "North Korea" then Lee-Lee May 2016 #63

The Japanese had little ability left to project military force jberryhill May 2016 #70

Wasn't possible regardless desirability One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #77

Odd how so many ignore the 1.3 million troops in the China theater... Marengo May 2016 #81

It would have been nice to have had the Japanese in China in August 1950 jberryhill May 2016 #84

Sure, as Imperial Japanese rule was oh-so progressive and beneficial... Marengo May 2016 #93

There was no way Operation Olympic would not have taken place Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #95

I presume you mean the invasion planned for 1946 MisterP May 2016 #31

Your defense of the Party is noted.... blackspade May 2016 #32

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? Bucky May 2016 #38

Bombing civilian targets was thought to be an effective way... blackspade May 2016 #67

I think Japan demonstrated the complete opposite of your point metalbot Jun 2016 #100

As a way of ending the war yes, it was a losing strategy . blackspade Jun 2016 #102

Trying to have a reasonable discussion with Hate-America-Firsters is a futile act. Odin2005 May 2016 #39

Discussion is never a futile act Bucky May 2016 #41

The problem is, it is RARELY an actual discussion. NT Adrahil May 2016 #54

Yes, it's impossible to have a discussion with people who think we can never do wrong. alarimer May 2016 #44

"Hate-America-Firsters"? Did you get that from the National Review? stone space May 2016 #55

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Odin2005 May 2016 #89

Yet we have a responsibility to make sure those are the last two atomic weapons used in war. moriah May 2016 #49

Having read through most of the posts here so far, pangaia May 2016 #52

I agree. auntpurl May 2016 #53

Harry saved American lives. GOLGO 13 May 2016 #56

watched a show on pbs last night about suicide attacks by japan towards the end of ww2 dembotoz May 2016 #59

I'm standing right beside you!!!!! My dad (first Marine landing of WWII on Guadalcanal) tonyt53 May 2016 #60

I think the fact that they didn't surrender after the first one give you a pretty arely staircase May 2016 #64

The U.S.A. didn't build just a few bombs, we built huge bomb factories. hunter May 2016 #66

There were exactly TWO bombs in existence before Hiroshima MohRokTah May 2016 #69

Oh bother. Like I said, do the math. hunter May 2016 #71

I was in the European Theatre MosheFeingold May 2016 #72

Needs no defense. Absolutely correct decision. nt LexVegas May 2016 #75

The second bomb should have waited JPZenger May 2016 #78

Japan invaded China in 1931... 3-4 million Chinese soldiers 20 million Chinese civilians died 4139 May 2016 #79

And had we let the Japanese finish, we wouldn't have to fight Chinese and Koreans OR Vietnamese jberryhill May 2016 #85

Criticize it?? I celebrate it. My grandfather was in the pacific GummyBearz May 2016 #92

My grandpa was a ranger xmas74 May 2016 #97

Every unit in the ET was on standby for transfer to the Pacific after Germany surrendered. MohRokTah May 2016 #98

And he had already been a POW once. xmas74 Jun 2016 #99

My dad was in the first US island landing of WWII on Guadalcanal tonyt53 Jun 2016 #101

My uncle, who served as a recon pilot in the Pacific in WWII, felt the same way. Larkspur Jun 2016 #103

Not that I probably woulda been against it tirebiter Sep 2022 #104