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In reply to the discussion: The Real Reason We Bombed Japan [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)115. What part of "military HQ" and "military resupply port"
make it unclear that these targets were anything but military?
The civilian population was warned ahead of time, too. Think this was clear enough?
Gov't documents in the public domain, exempt from copyright issues.

Front side of OWI notice #2106, dubbed the LeMay bombing leaflet, which was delivered to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and 33 other Japanese cities on 1 August 1945.
The Japanese text on the reverse side of the leaflet carried the following warning: Read this carefully as it may save your life or the life of a relative or friend. In the next few days, some or all of the cities named on the reverse side will be destroyed by American bombs. These cities contain military installations and workshops or factories which produce military goods. We are determined to destroy all of the tools of the military clique which they are using to prolong this useless war. But, unfortunately, bombs have no eyes. So, in accordance with America's humanitarian policies, the American Air Force, which does not wish to injure innocent people, now gives you warning to evacuate the cities named and save your lives. America is not fighting the Japanese people but is fighting the military clique which has enslaved the Japanese people. The peace which America will bring will free the people from the oppression of the military clique and mean the emergence of a new and better Japan. You can restore peace by demanding new and good leaders who will end the war. We cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked but some or all of them will be, so heed this warning and evacuate these cities immediately. (See Richard S. R. Hubert, The OWI Saipan Operation, Official Report to US Information Service, Washington, DC 1946.)
Leaflets dropped on cities in Japan warning civilians about the atomic bomb, dropped c. August 6, 1945
TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.
We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.
We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.
Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.
You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.
EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.
The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.
Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.
A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.
Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.
Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.
EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Source: Harry S. Truman Library, Miscellaneous historical document file, no. 258.


So your thesis, such as it is, is unsupported.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol46no3/article07.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/
http://ww2days.com/nagasaki-leveled-by-a-bomb-2.html
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Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#41
Anything to deflect responsibility of Japan's actions and throw it back on the USA
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#136
Yes, sir. Anything you say, sir. Questions of perspective are OUT. OK..I get it. nt
Bigmack
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My hatred? You mean the 20 years of research in Japan and China I have done?
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Your blather about the Cultural Revolution is nothing more than a diversionary tactic...
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Feeling the Bern
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I was just using the description that my grandfather and his brother used
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eppur_se_muova
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Google "the rape of Nanking" to see what we were dealing with. The Japanese would have
Trust Buster
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Not to mention also their vivisection experiments of Chinese civilians and POW's.
roamer65
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Trust Buster
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I agree. Ask the 100's of thousands of Chinese and Filipino's about "non-combatant populations".
Trust Buster
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300,000 men, women and children in Nanjing. 20,000 women raped in Nanjing
Feeling the Bern
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If you haven't already read it, the most comprehensive history of Japanese atrocities during
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If you are writing a screenplay, I urge you to read "The Knights of Bushido". Go on Amazon
Trust Buster
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#59
Read it. Movie is already in preproduction. But most of my research was done in China since I live
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#62
Once again you show your ignorance of history. It was not just about what they had done, it was
Trust Buster
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#22
They were horrible, no one is arguing that. But why choose civilian targets?
rhett o rick
May 2016
#15
What about the tens of thousands of allied POW's and civilians in slave labor camps across Japan
Trust Buster
May 2016
#25
If you have something to say, do so. I don't play the answer your pointed questions game.
rhett o rick
May 2016
#27
I did say so. What do you think would have happened to the tens of thousands of POW's and
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#29
They would have either starved to death, died of disease or executed before Allied forces could
Trust Buster
May 2016
#93
Again--they were MILITARY targets, and the civilians in the area WERE warned in advance. nt
MADem
May 2016
#116
Have you ever heard of the battle of Iwo Jima and Okinawa? Do you know how many people were killed
still_one
May 2016
#16
I notice that the conservatives here all can rationalize why we dropped nuclear bombs on
rhett o rick
May 2016
#17
So what exactly is your point? I hope it isn't, "we did it because they did it."
rhett o rick
May 2016
#21
The point is our involvment in that war was initiated by that unprovoked attack.
still_one
May 2016
#73
I wonder if they would have felt the same way if they were one of the soldiers that would have been
still_one
May 2016
#64
They probably think that the Japanese would have given them flowers as liberators
dbackjon
May 2016
#100
Estimates were that the losses for invading the home islands would be 10-1 with one million American
Feeling the Bern
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#43
We knew that we had to convince the Emperior to surrender and not the military that
rhett o rick
May 2016
#19
No, we wanted to end the war quickly to save the tens of thousands of allied POW's and allied
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#26
Does that make you feel better to think that? Rationalize away if you need to keep from facing
rhett o rick
May 2016
#28
Rationalization ? Saving the lives of tens of thousands of allied POW's and civilians imprisoned
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May 2016
#30
I had an uncle I never met who died on Okinawa. Those that like to hold a political "feel good"
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#39
The idea that Truman was at all cavalier about the consequences of his decision is what
MADem
May 2016
#111
I suspect it had no small element of sending a message to Stalin, as well.
Warren DeMontague
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#38
Carpet bombing of Shanghai in 1933, Mukden Train incident of 1931 where they illegally seized
Feeling the Bern
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#40
I have no problem with the nuking that happened. It ended the war. When I hear this morally offended
Waldorf
May 2016
#47
And I'll let these images sink in and speak for me about the war Japan started
Feeling the Bern
May 2016
#76
Hopefully, war crimes trials and executions/prison terms for the guilty parties.
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#80
Just to be clear, the military leaders did not have a problem.... WARNING, GRAPHIC
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