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JimDandy

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13. On the other hand, in an officer involved shooting, the victim's race IS important to know

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:41 PM

May 2016

as a gauge for how, or if, police departments are reacting to the critical public eye that is now focused on these shootings. Yesterday, a Tucson PO shot and killed a black bicyclist. None of the media outlets mentioned the man's race, and only a couple of them mentioned his name: Osee Calix. A google search was the only way to find out the info on his race. I hope this is not a trend for the media to not disclose the race of victims of officer-involved shootings. That would be disturbing, if there were a concerted effort by local media to do so, in order to reduce or eliminate public backlash against their local PD's

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Shaun King: Racism has found its way into the Cincinnati Zoo saga [View all] gollygee May 2016 OP

I remember both those previous incidents, and the columnist is correct. yardwork May 2016 #1

This story never should have gone national yeoman6987 May 2016 #28

No way. An endangered gorilla was killed. yardwork May 2016 #49

In a city zoo. yeoman6987 May 2016 #56

By hosting that endangered animal the zoo was charged with both protecting it ToxMarz May 2016 #66

Exactly. n/t FourScore May 2016 #71

Perfect response! N/T skamaria Jun 2016 #207

Agreed. The zoo failed to protect the habitat from intrusion and the mother mdbl Jun 2016 #216

Are you freakin kidding? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #106

She didn't "LET her kid", do anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #127

Some mother. Maybe a few parenting classes are in order. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #129

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The mom is somehow the victim in all of this? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #149

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Do you have some sort of proof that the child was "nearly killed"? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #155

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I can manage to "value the life of a child more than the life of an animal"... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #168

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If she often "loses sight" of her kids in public places... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #177

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"(T)he enclosure was not sufficient"... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #186

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Do you have a child? From your comments, I suspect you just play a parent on the internet. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #144

Two - youngest just graduated. Thanks for playing though. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #148

If you have two ... Then, you know that you don't "let" a child ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #152

I guess we are from two different schools of parenting. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #156

Your kid(s) never did anything stupid? You're special and should be rich! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #159

Sure they did, but we prevented them from jumping into gorilla habitats. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #163

Funny ... I never faced that gorilla habitat problem, and I doubt you have, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #173

No, can't say that ever happened to me. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #175

You are fortunate, or full of shit ... Kids are always doing ill-advised/dangerous stuff ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #182

I never said my kids didn't do some ill-advised stuff. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #185

A 4 year old has a different understanding of stupid, neither of which include ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #187

You have no idea of the near-misses that your children experienced pnwmom Jun 2016 #213

dupe pnwmom Jun 2016 #211

Oh, right. Because no good parent EVER gets distracted for a few moments pnwmom Jun 2016 #210

And what do we think of parents that allow children to access guns? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #196

We? or I? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #206

Allowing your child opportunity to climb into a zoo enclosure is akin to a locked box or a open box? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #225

The Cincinnati Zoo is responsible for public safety around their animals. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #192

The zoo had an enclosure that was easily circumvented by a small child. pnwmom Jun 2016 #209

I agree with you on that point. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #237

this isn't the 1600's any more AntiBank Jun 2016 #121

This mother was identified because she posted about an incident on face book. LisaL May 2016 #2

They're weren't white, IIRC. So the fallout was consistent with ecstatic May 2016 #15

The article claims their history wasn't reported. Which is clearly LisaL May 2016 #24

I noticed the same intrepidity Jun 2016 #83

I have actually heard some of the Trump types say they should have doc03 May 2016 #3

Jesus a la izquierda May 2016 #31

I never read internet comments kdmorris Jun 2016 #200

Wow that is just sick. I think this country is going out of its mind. I mean in my doc03 Jun 2016 #212

Yeah, it's kind of scary how insane people seem kdmorris Jun 2016 #217

There have been a lot of incidents too treestar May 2016 #4

Thank you. I was just about to post this. Shaun has a series on twitter, also. Luminous Animal May 2016 #5

Human-Centricism will kill the Planet. glinda May 2016 #6

Um, have to disagree on the San Fran tiger case. Plenty was written about the previous criminal Coventina May 2016 #7

I remember all these articles. LisaL May 2016 #8

I 100% blame the "victims" in that case. They broke into a closed zoo, drank themselves silly, and Coventina May 2016 #9

You can blame them (or not). LisaL May 2016 #11

Agreed. They were exposed in the press for the low-life scum they were. n/t Coventina May 2016 #12

IIRC the SF zoo wasn't closed maxsolomon May 2016 #17

That tiger was a "man eating" tiger. LisaL May 2016 #18

Did she have any reason NOT to hate people? Coventina May 2016 #23

She likely had very good reasons to hate people. LisaL May 2016 #26

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I was asking because the other poster mentioned that the tiger hated people. Coventina Jun 2016 #136

And those creeps had the nerve to sue for their injuries, when they KILLED their friend. Coventina May 2016 #20

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I never said that, but nice try. Coventina Jun 2016 #137

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I sure as hell am blaming the creepy cowards who intentionally pissed off a tiger they thought Coventina Jun 2016 #143

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You stated because of SHOPLIFTING. I don't think people should be killed by tigers for shoplifting. Coventina Jun 2016 #146

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Oh please spare me. They were throwing rocks at her, while drunk and high, and the zoo was closed. Coventina Jun 2016 #151

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No, I don't. They brought on themselves. n/t Coventina Jun 2016 #154

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I've already outlined why I feel as I do. They purposely stayed behind after closing time to Coventina Jun 2016 #158

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Hell yes I value Tatiana over those creeps!! Coventina Jun 2016 #165

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No, you said I thought they should die for shoplifting. But whatevs. Coventina Jun 2016 #171

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Yeah, sure, all they did was make faces. Coventina Jun 2016 #180

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I invented nothing. The title of your article states the tiger was provoked. Coventina Jun 2016 #184

I remember that one too, Coventina BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #233

I'm very glad to know that I'm not alone in remembering and honoring Tatiana. Coventina Jun 2016 #235

This explains a lot. Up until today, ecstatic May 2016 #10

well, I know a lot of people were upset cause of how few of those gorillas are left Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #52

I'm with you, ecstatic. Had no idea the family was black, and I came to the same Nay Jun 2016 #117

On the other hand, in an officer involved shooting, the victim's race IS important to know JimDandy May 2016 #13

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I've spent part of the day asking fools gwheezie May 2016 #16

I agree - great post (nt) nyabingi Jun 2016 #122

Fucking up knows no color maxsolomon May 2016 #19

America never passes up a chance to be anti-black MrScorpio May 2016 #21

I read everything that I could find about this incident. ladjf May 2016 #78

Did you even bother reading the gist of Shaun King's article? MrScorpio Jun 2016 #81

I did "bother" to read a dozen or so articles and watch ladjf Jun 2016 #84

That information didn't come from either King or myself MrScorpio Jun 2016 #98

If there is anything I don't need is a lecture on racial awareness. ladjf Jun 2016 #113

Anti-black, how about pro-endangered species? Democat Jun 2016 #100

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I had no idea the family was black until this article. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #107

The Daily Mail is a RW British tabloid Mosby Jun 2016 #124

Shaun King is very progressive, if controversial gollygee Jun 2016 #161

It's always easier to blame someone else. jalan48 May 2016 #22

Racism and sexism Texasgal May 2016 #25

Yeah there's that too. N/t gollygee May 2016 #27

Black or white, here's an idea awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #29

Do you know she was on her phone? N/t gollygee May 2016 #30

Some eyewitnesses said she was taking pictures gwheezie May 2016 #32

That's not "on the phone" like having a conversation and ignoring your kids gollygee May 2016 #33

I agree with you gwheezie May 2016 #37

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Judging by what I see every day awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #40

We're not talking about "people today." gollygee May 2016 #41

She wasn't paying attention to her kid awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #42

I think the majority of parents have not seen what their kid is doing gollygee May 2016 #43

Exactly..lots of parents, probably almost all parents skepticscott May 2016 #59

Here's another idea nini May 2016 #47

She was taking care of her crying daughter. But, you know, that's just like a fucking phone. ieoeja Jun 2016 #188

She was trying to comfort another crying child and packing up to go. pnwmom Jun 2016 #214

Before cell phones, parents were never distracted. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #238

what in the actual fuck. nt retrowire May 2016 #34

I don't think bringing up the fathers criminal record is racist Travis_0004 May 2016 #35

I think you're fooling yourself gollygee May 2016 #38

I agree. jack_krass Jun 2016 #79

When people are part of an incident, they sometimes do gollygee Jun 2016 #90

It's completely irrelevant because the father wasn't present. And it's further irrelevant pnwmom Jun 2016 #215

Animal rights mutters are nutty. AngryAmish May 2016 #36

Actually they did have a choice maxsolomon Jun 2016 #123

Yeah, but this one was armed. CPD found a gun. n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #189

What a bunch of bullshit. From a fake black man who rips off black people 7962 May 2016 #39

"fake black man"-- WTF? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #53

Yes, fake. First he claimed to be black, then biracial when caught in his lie 7962 May 2016 #73

fair enough, but I'm not sure how that negates any of the points made in the column Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #85

His points are ridiculous. As many here have already pointed out 7962 Jun 2016 #87

He looked like a multiracial kid in his childhood photos gollygee Jun 2016 #91

No, its not. Its a legitimate term used by both sides. Look it up. 7962 Jun 2016 #110

There's a little boy who lives down the street who looks very much like that gollygee Jun 2016 #111

And he's been known that way his whole life. 7962 Jun 2016 #114

Google "Shaun King, black twitter and BLM" romanic May 2016 #76

Every accusation that you made originated from the right wing media. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #218

Who died and made you the arbiter of what is or isn't black? nt MrScorpio Jun 2016 #109

"What"? Dont you mean "who"? Biology is the arbiter, not me. 7962 Jun 2016 #112

Some folks will see racism in anything... TipTok May 2016 #44

Of ryan_cats May 2016 #45

I've been saying since the first kid ever fell into the first zoo exhibit. Rex May 2016 #46

After reading through the replies I can't even respond WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #48

If not for this OP, I would have no idea of the race of the family. Nye Bevan May 2016 #50

Well it is all about you gollygee May 2016 #54

LOL! kwassa May 2016 #61

Ha. +1 nt laundry_queen May 2016 #74

The author is "making it about themselves" Democat Jun 2016 #102

Why did they look into the father's criminal history when he wasn't even at the zoo? gollygee Jun 2016 #103

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Did you read the original story? Democat Jun 2016 #166

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No one I know or have read comments from did either. 7962 Jun 2016 #88

Yep. "If the child had been white they would have shot the gorilla!" Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #104

what that columnist did was absolutely despicable. and thank you for that horrific list of niyad May 2016 #51

That's already happened too. Quackers Jun 2016 #82

I can understand a child doing something so silly. hope nothing happened to the giraffe. niyad Jun 2016 #120

assholes Marrah_G May 2016 #55

Oh, Keeerist! You can go to the well with that one once too often you know. Peregrine Took May 2016 #57

I had no idea the family was Black. blackspade May 2016 #58

"America. 2016. " melman May 2016 #60

and your point is? kwassa May 2016 #62

That the Daily Mail is a British paper melman May 2016 #63

Of course it is. How is this relevant to the information in the OP? kwassa May 2016 #65

Because the last line in the piece is melman May 2016 #68

Why not? kwassa May 2016 #69

Because when he says melman May 2016 #72

Shaun King is American and he wrote it about an American incident. N/t gollygee Jun 2016 #97

The Daily Mail is a right wing British tabloid Mosby Jun 2016 #126

This isn't LBN gollygee Jun 2016 #140

So, that boundary matters, but the Atlantic Ocean doesn't? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #198

This is 2016 gollygee Jun 2016 #199

Prove it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #201

Ok gollygee Jun 2016 #202

This doesn't break out viewers by region but AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #203

I agree that it's a cheap tabloid and that it leans way to the right overall gollygee Jun 2016 #204

I'm glad we discussed this. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #226

I'm a parent too gollygee Jun 2016 #229

Because the UK is not inside the United States. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #197

. kwassa Jun 2016 #232

Yes, it is quite a bit less of a differentiation than I had previously thought. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #236

I don't care if he was Jack the ripper MFM008 May 2016 #64

He wasn't there. gollygee Jun 2016 #94

Even TMZ had the decency to point out rocktivity May 2016 #67

What in the hell coco77 May 2016 #70

Bernie has nothing to do with it gollygee Jun 2016 #86

I dismiss it here because its a STUPID ALLEGATION. 7962 Jun 2016 #89

Any case where the ones responsible are black romanic May 2016 #77

People doing what people do - assume cabot Jun 2016 #80

He's 100% correct in this regard... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #92

I don't follow him on Twitter gollygee Jun 2016 #93

Somewhat related... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #95

Well at least he doesn't want to destroy this election gollygee Jun 2016 #96

This family was hated for getting the animal killed before anyone knew their race Democat Jun 2016 #99

This is talking about the newspaper looking into the father's criminal history gollygee Jun 2016 #101

I'm going to continue to reserve my outrage... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #105

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King is complaing about all the other incidents where the parents weren't treated this way. hughee99 Jun 2016 #108

King is a joke of a 'journalist' who has crafted his brief career from racial sophistry. Bonx Jun 2016 #115

Based on what I've read from him, your assessment seems to be spot on. n/t hughee99 Jun 2016 #116

There are no words... tularetom Jun 2016 #118

I wish people would actually read the stories gollygee Jun 2016 #119

How about leaving the gorillas nyabingi Jun 2016 #125

It would just be nice if that mother would apologize for her negligence bluestateguy Jun 2016 #128

She can't do that in our society gollygee Jun 2016 #164

She's a victim of society? Democat Jun 2016 #167

DO people not read before responding anymore? gollygee Jun 2016 #169

your local rw radio station makes it 'acceptable' certainot Jun 2016 #130

Black gorilla lives matter IronLionZion Jun 2016 #131

Here's a white woman mauled by a white polar bear IronLionZion Jun 2016 #135

You clearly don't know the Daily Mail. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #174

Viz Comic's parody of the typical Daily Mail reader. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #179

I 100% agree with Shaun King. What I do NOT get is why you were compelled to interject ... ebayfool Jun 2016 #193

No, that's not what I meant gollygee Jun 2016 #194

I'm glad to hear it. It does look like a mighty broad brush, though. ebayfool Jun 2016 #205

The daily mail is a british tabloid, not american. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #195

What are you talking about. The link is from the NEW YORK Daily News. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #219

Lol it's sad that I didn't notice that either gollygee Jun 2016 #220

The racist material/focus/story narrative cited in the New York Daily News was published by the Dail AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #224

Which you clearly did not read. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #223

You clearly do not understand why Shaun King wrote the article. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #228

And you clearly do not understand who the author of the racist turn of narrative is. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #234

Great piece. Thanks for posting! n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #221

How the is it relevant that this dude endorsed Bernie? What does that have to do... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #222

I've addressed this a couple of times gollygee Jun 2016 #231

I am sad and angry about the death of the Gorilla... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #227

Yup...if this proves anything it's that Black Lives don't Matter. ileus Jun 2016 #230