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gwheezie

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16. I've spent part of the day asking fools

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:43 PM

May 2016

If the little black boy had been killed by the gorilla, did the mother get what she deserved? I've read several eye witness accounts that do not blame her or claim she was negligent from people who were standing next to them. One minute she was taking care of her crying daughter in the stroller packing them all up to leave and the little boy had his hand in her pocket and the next she was calling his name. She didn't see him because he crawled into bushes. She was looking for him. People who saw him said he was so fast they couldn't stop him. And then he fell off the ledge.
Fuck the racists. how many times do white people leave guns around and their kids kill themselves and it's a terrible accident but let a black family make that mistake and some young black male gets arrested. Or the same with kids who die in hot cars. Let it be a white hospital administrator and oh, the poor family has suffered enough but some black woman leaving her kids in the car and they don't even die, gets arrested. Or some white kids pull a prank, and a black kid gets shot.
Fuck the racists.

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Shaun King: Racism has found its way into the Cincinnati Zoo saga [View all] gollygee May 2016 OP

I remember both those previous incidents, and the columnist is correct. yardwork May 2016 #1

This story never should have gone national yeoman6987 May 2016 #28

No way. An endangered gorilla was killed. yardwork May 2016 #49

In a city zoo. yeoman6987 May 2016 #56

By hosting that endangered animal the zoo was charged with both protecting it ToxMarz May 2016 #66

Exactly. n/t FourScore May 2016 #71

Perfect response! N/T skamaria Jun 2016 #207

Agreed. The zoo failed to protect the habitat from intrusion and the mother mdbl Jun 2016 #216

Are you freakin kidding? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #106

She didn't "LET her kid", do anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #127

Some mother. Maybe a few parenting classes are in order. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #129

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The mom is somehow the victim in all of this? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #149

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Do you have some sort of proof that the child was "nearly killed"? NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #155

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I can manage to "value the life of a child more than the life of an animal"... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #168

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If she often "loses sight" of her kids in public places... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #177

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"(T)he enclosure was not sufficient"... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #186

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Do you have a child? From your comments, I suspect you just play a parent on the internet. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #144

Two - youngest just graduated. Thanks for playing though. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #148

If you have two ... Then, you know that you don't "let" a child ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #152

I guess we are from two different schools of parenting. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #156

Your kid(s) never did anything stupid? You're special and should be rich! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #159

Sure they did, but we prevented them from jumping into gorilla habitats. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #163

Funny ... I never faced that gorilla habitat problem, and I doubt you have, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #173

No, can't say that ever happened to me. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #175

You are fortunate, or full of shit ... Kids are always doing ill-advised/dangerous stuff ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #182

I never said my kids didn't do some ill-advised stuff. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #185

A 4 year old has a different understanding of stupid, neither of which include ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #187

You have no idea of the near-misses that your children experienced pnwmom Jun 2016 #213

dupe pnwmom Jun 2016 #211

Oh, right. Because no good parent EVER gets distracted for a few moments pnwmom Jun 2016 #210

And what do we think of parents that allow children to access guns? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #196

We? or I? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #206

Allowing your child opportunity to climb into a zoo enclosure is akin to a locked box or a open box? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #225

The Cincinnati Zoo is responsible for public safety around their animals. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #192

The zoo had an enclosure that was easily circumvented by a small child. pnwmom Jun 2016 #209

I agree with you on that point. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #237

this isn't the 1600's any more AntiBank Jun 2016 #121

This mother was identified because she posted about an incident on face book. LisaL May 2016 #2

They're weren't white, IIRC. So the fallout was consistent with ecstatic May 2016 #15

The article claims their history wasn't reported. Which is clearly LisaL May 2016 #24

I noticed the same intrepidity May 2016 #83

I have actually heard some of the Trump types say they should have doc03 May 2016 #3

Jesus a la izquierda May 2016 #31

I never read internet comments kdmorris Jun 2016 #200

Wow that is just sick. I think this country is going out of its mind. I mean in my doc03 Jun 2016 #212

Yeah, it's kind of scary how insane people seem kdmorris Jun 2016 #217

There have been a lot of incidents too treestar May 2016 #4

Thank you. I was just about to post this. Shaun has a series on twitter, also. Luminous Animal May 2016 #5

Human-Centricism will kill the Planet. glinda May 2016 #6

Um, have to disagree on the San Fran tiger case. Plenty was written about the previous criminal Coventina May 2016 #7

I remember all these articles. LisaL May 2016 #8

I 100% blame the "victims" in that case. They broke into a closed zoo, drank themselves silly, and Coventina May 2016 #9

You can blame them (or not). LisaL May 2016 #11

Agreed. They were exposed in the press for the low-life scum they were. n/t Coventina May 2016 #12

IIRC the SF zoo wasn't closed maxsolomon May 2016 #17

That tiger was a "man eating" tiger. LisaL May 2016 #18

Did she have any reason NOT to hate people? Coventina May 2016 #23

She likely had very good reasons to hate people. LisaL May 2016 #26

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I was asking because the other poster mentioned that the tiger hated people. Coventina Jun 2016 #136

And those creeps had the nerve to sue for their injuries, when they KILLED their friend. Coventina May 2016 #20

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I never said that, but nice try. Coventina Jun 2016 #137

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I sure as hell am blaming the creepy cowards who intentionally pissed off a tiger they thought Coventina Jun 2016 #143

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You stated because of SHOPLIFTING. I don't think people should be killed by tigers for shoplifting. Coventina Jun 2016 #146

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Oh please spare me. They were throwing rocks at her, while drunk and high, and the zoo was closed. Coventina Jun 2016 #151

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No, I don't. They brought on themselves. n/t Coventina Jun 2016 #154

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I've already outlined why I feel as I do. They purposely stayed behind after closing time to Coventina Jun 2016 #158

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Hell yes I value Tatiana over those creeps!! Coventina Jun 2016 #165

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No, you said I thought they should die for shoplifting. But whatevs. Coventina Jun 2016 #171

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Yeah, sure, all they did was make faces. Coventina Jun 2016 #180

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I invented nothing. The title of your article states the tiger was provoked. Coventina Jun 2016 #184

I remember that one too, Coventina BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #233

I'm very glad to know that I'm not alone in remembering and honoring Tatiana. Coventina Jun 2016 #235

This explains a lot. Up until today, ecstatic May 2016 #10

well, I know a lot of people were upset cause of how few of those gorillas are left Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #52

I'm with you, ecstatic. Had no idea the family was black, and I came to the same Nay Jun 2016 #117

On the other hand, in an officer involved shooting, the victim's race IS important to know JimDandy May 2016 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin May 2016 #14

I've spent part of the day asking fools gwheezie May 2016 #16

I agree - great post (nt) nyabingi Jun 2016 #122

Fucking up knows no color maxsolomon May 2016 #19

America never passes up a chance to be anti-black MrScorpio May 2016 #21

I read everything that I could find about this incident. ladjf May 2016 #78

Did you even bother reading the gist of Shaun King's article? MrScorpio May 2016 #81

I did "bother" to read a dozen or so articles and watch ladjf May 2016 #84

That information didn't come from either King or myself MrScorpio Jun 2016 #98

If there is anything I don't need is a lecture on racial awareness. ladjf Jun 2016 #113

Anti-black, how about pro-endangered species? Democat Jun 2016 #100

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I had no idea the family was black until this article. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #107

The Daily Mail is a RW British tabloid Mosby Jun 2016 #124

Shaun King is very progressive, if controversial gollygee Jun 2016 #161

It's always easier to blame someone else. jalan48 May 2016 #22

Racism and sexism Texasgal May 2016 #25

Yeah there's that too. N/t gollygee May 2016 #27

Black or white, here's an idea awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #29

Do you know she was on her phone? N/t gollygee May 2016 #30

Some eyewitnesses said she was taking pictures gwheezie May 2016 #32

That's not "on the phone" like having a conversation and ignoring your kids gollygee May 2016 #33

I agree with you gwheezie May 2016 #37

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Judging by what I see every day awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #40

We're not talking about "people today." gollygee May 2016 #41

She wasn't paying attention to her kid awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #42

I think the majority of parents have not seen what their kid is doing gollygee May 2016 #43

Exactly..lots of parents, probably almost all parents skepticscott May 2016 #59

Here's another idea nini May 2016 #47

She was taking care of her crying daughter. But, you know, that's just like a fucking phone. ieoeja Jun 2016 #188

She was trying to comfort another crying child and packing up to go. pnwmom Jun 2016 #214

Before cell phones, parents were never distracted. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #238

what in the actual fuck. nt retrowire May 2016 #34

I don't think bringing up the fathers criminal record is racist Travis_0004 May 2016 #35

I think you're fooling yourself gollygee May 2016 #38

I agree. jack_krass May 2016 #79

When people are part of an incident, they sometimes do gollygee Jun 2016 #90

It's completely irrelevant because the father wasn't present. And it's further irrelevant pnwmom Jun 2016 #215

Animal rights mutters are nutty. AngryAmish May 2016 #36

Actually they did have a choice maxsolomon Jun 2016 #123

Yeah, but this one was armed. CPD found a gun. n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #189

What a bunch of bullshit. From a fake black man who rips off black people 7962 May 2016 #39

"fake black man"-- WTF? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #53

Yes, fake. First he claimed to be black, then biracial when caught in his lie 7962 May 2016 #73

fair enough, but I'm not sure how that negates any of the points made in the column Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #85

His points are ridiculous. As many here have already pointed out 7962 Jun 2016 #87

He looked like a multiracial kid in his childhood photos gollygee Jun 2016 #91

No, its not. Its a legitimate term used by both sides. Look it up. 7962 Jun 2016 #110

There's a little boy who lives down the street who looks very much like that gollygee Jun 2016 #111

And he's been known that way his whole life. 7962 Jun 2016 #114

Google "Shaun King, black twitter and BLM" romanic May 2016 #76

Every accusation that you made originated from the right wing media. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #218

Who died and made you the arbiter of what is or isn't black? nt MrScorpio Jun 2016 #109

"What"? Dont you mean "who"? Biology is the arbiter, not me. 7962 Jun 2016 #112

Some folks will see racism in anything... TipTok May 2016 #44

Of ryan_cats May 2016 #45

I've been saying since the first kid ever fell into the first zoo exhibit. Rex May 2016 #46

After reading through the replies I can't even respond WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #48

If not for this OP, I would have no idea of the race of the family. Nye Bevan May 2016 #50

Well it is all about you gollygee May 2016 #54

LOL! kwassa May 2016 #61

Ha. +1 nt laundry_queen May 2016 #74

The author is "making it about themselves" Democat Jun 2016 #102

Why did they look into the father's criminal history when he wasn't even at the zoo? gollygee Jun 2016 #103

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Did you read the original story? Democat Jun 2016 #166

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No one I know or have read comments from did either. 7962 Jun 2016 #88

Yep. "If the child had been white they would have shot the gorilla!" Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #104

what that columnist did was absolutely despicable. and thank you for that horrific list of niyad May 2016 #51

That's already happened too. Quackers May 2016 #82

I can understand a child doing something so silly. hope nothing happened to the giraffe. niyad Jun 2016 #120

assholes Marrah_G May 2016 #55

Oh, Keeerist! You can go to the well with that one once too often you know. Peregrine Took May 2016 #57

I had no idea the family was Black. blackspade May 2016 #58

"America. 2016. " melman May 2016 #60

and your point is? kwassa May 2016 #62

That the Daily Mail is a British paper melman May 2016 #63

Of course it is. How is this relevant to the information in the OP? kwassa May 2016 #65

Because the last line in the piece is melman May 2016 #68

Why not? kwassa May 2016 #69

Because when he says melman May 2016 #72

Shaun King is American and he wrote it about an American incident. N/t gollygee Jun 2016 #97

The Daily Mail is a right wing British tabloid Mosby Jun 2016 #126

This isn't LBN gollygee Jun 2016 #140

So, that boundary matters, but the Atlantic Ocean doesn't? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #198

This is 2016 gollygee Jun 2016 #199

Prove it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #201

Ok gollygee Jun 2016 #202

This doesn't break out viewers by region but AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #203

I agree that it's a cheap tabloid and that it leans way to the right overall gollygee Jun 2016 #204

I'm glad we discussed this. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #226

I'm a parent too gollygee Jun 2016 #229

Because the UK is not inside the United States. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #197

. kwassa Jun 2016 #232

Yes, it is quite a bit less of a differentiation than I had previously thought. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #236

I don't care if he was Jack the ripper MFM008 May 2016 #64

He wasn't there. gollygee Jun 2016 #94

Even TMZ had the decency to point out rocktivity May 2016 #67

What in the hell coco77 May 2016 #70

Bernie has nothing to do with it gollygee Jun 2016 #86

I dismiss it here because its a STUPID ALLEGATION. 7962 Jun 2016 #89

Any case where the ones responsible are black romanic May 2016 #77

People doing what people do - assume cabot May 2016 #80

He's 100% correct in this regard... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #92

I don't follow him on Twitter gollygee Jun 2016 #93

Somewhat related... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #95

Well at least he doesn't want to destroy this election gollygee Jun 2016 #96

This family was hated for getting the animal killed before anyone knew their race Democat Jun 2016 #99

This is talking about the newspaper looking into the father's criminal history gollygee Jun 2016 #101

I'm going to continue to reserve my outrage... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #105

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King is complaing about all the other incidents where the parents weren't treated this way. hughee99 Jun 2016 #108

King is a joke of a 'journalist' who has crafted his brief career from racial sophistry. Bonx Jun 2016 #115

Based on what I've read from him, your assessment seems to be spot on. n/t hughee99 Jun 2016 #116

There are no words... tularetom Jun 2016 #118

I wish people would actually read the stories gollygee Jun 2016 #119

How about leaving the gorillas nyabingi Jun 2016 #125

It would just be nice if that mother would apologize for her negligence bluestateguy Jun 2016 #128

She can't do that in our society gollygee Jun 2016 #164

She's a victim of society? Democat Jun 2016 #167

DO people not read before responding anymore? gollygee Jun 2016 #169

your local rw radio station makes it 'acceptable' certainot Jun 2016 #130

Black gorilla lives matter IronLionZion Jun 2016 #131

Here's a white woman mauled by a white polar bear IronLionZion Jun 2016 #135

You clearly don't know the Daily Mail. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #174

Viz Comic's parody of the typical Daily Mail reader. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #179

I 100% agree with Shaun King. What I do NOT get is why you were compelled to interject ... ebayfool Jun 2016 #193

No, that's not what I meant gollygee Jun 2016 #194

I'm glad to hear it. It does look like a mighty broad brush, though. ebayfool Jun 2016 #205

The daily mail is a british tabloid, not american. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #195

What are you talking about. The link is from the NEW YORK Daily News. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #219

Lol it's sad that I didn't notice that either gollygee Jun 2016 #220

The racist material/focus/story narrative cited in the New York Daily News was published by the Dail AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #224

Which you clearly did not read. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #223

You clearly do not understand why Shaun King wrote the article. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #228

And you clearly do not understand who the author of the racist turn of narrative is. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #234

Great piece. Thanks for posting! n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #221

How the is it relevant that this dude endorsed Bernie? What does that have to do... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #222

I've addressed this a couple of times gollygee Jun 2016 #231

I am sad and angry about the death of the Gorilla... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #227

Yup...if this proves anything it's that Black Lives don't Matter. ileus Jun 2016 #230