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whatthehey

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50. Sure - but again these are the reflexive priorities I mentioned above
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

Exposure to them in both formal and informal education will be important to you if breadth of knowledge and cultural appreciation is important to you. I get that. You get that. I think it's fun knowing who was Pope in 1154 or the pederastic obsessions of Tchaikovsky or exactly why the Byzantine Empire fell in 1453 but not before. But that's because I'm a dilettante intellectually. Even where I did get degrees I never became an expert in anything, but concentrated on following a broad curiosity knowing a bit, either a small or large but never huge bit, about as many things as I could. I'm still at it.

But to me that means it's just subjective fun. If I were a golfer I'd enjoy myself hitting golf balls but I'm not. I'm a casual gatherer and synthesizer of bits of learning discovered and exposited by specialists. But from a utilitarian point of view what use is that to me? Beyond pleasure? Sweet FA. I can either impress or annoy the hell out of acquaintances depending on their level of curiosity, and compete fairly well in trivia events that are not dominated by pop culture. That's about it. The Humanities didn't make me able to influence or drive social change, because I haven't (and many who have lack much knowledge in the area). They didn't make me an effective critical thinker because even though I flatter myself into believing I have reasonable enough skill there, the only way those skills are applied is in a quantitative industrial environment where a STEM education has a broader toolkit. On a purely crass level, I get paid because I can solve math problems and apply them to people and assembly lines. I'd have saved time going straight into the MBA thing. Do I wish I had? Hell no, like I said I enjoy broad awareness and knowledge, and that's enough for me. I don't want to justify Humanities knowledge by utility, because to me their uitility is reflexive. They will be important to you if you want knowledge and culktural appreciation in and of themselves, not for what they will grant you the skillset to achieve.

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Thanks, yes Chiquitita May 2016 #4
Winning Pub Trivia Night. whatthehey May 2016 #5
It's great for trivia. A nice bonus. Chiquitita May 2016 #7
Winning Pub Trivia Night flamin lib May 2016 #44
Sure - but again these are the reflexive priorities I mentioned above whatthehey Jun 2016 #50
Without them, there is precious little "reach" to exceed annabanana May 2016 #6
Once almost all tech work has been automated gollygee May 2016 #8
that's what an AI person said to me recently... Chiquitita May 2016 #9
I'm not gollygee May 2016 #10
I agree with you Chiquitita May 2016 #11
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This is what we need to be thinking about Chiquitita May 2016 #36
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I should dig up my copy of Dangerous Visions exboyfil Jun 2016 #56
Humanities were important until they committed suicide in the 80s. AngryAmish May 2016 #12
You're preaching to the choir, Chiquitita. TexasProgresive May 2016 #13
I taught Humanities in IGCSE, A-Level and in university for 12 years Feeling the Bern May 2016 #14
The answer padfun May 2016 #16
"worker bees who can't analyse, think critically or create."... madinmaryland Jun 2016 #69
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Timely essay ewagner May 2016 #17
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My English degree enables me to speak eloquently about my inadequate salary. Orrex May 2016 #21
I'm not convinced that our majors/degrees are at fault for salary disappointment Chiquitita May 2016 #22
"Can earn." That's a good one. Orrex May 2016 #27
I majored in comparative literature and Spanish Chiquitita May 2016 #32
I would certainly have benefited from a more dedicated study of a second language Orrex May 2016 #33
English majors have declined a lot over the last 10 years in response to what you are experiencing Chiquitita May 2016 #34
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yes, nice to talk with you. Chiquitita May 2016 #39
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excellent insight Chiquitita May 2016 #38
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Humanities flamin lib May 2016 #45
k and r -- from a phil and humanities major :) nashville_brook May 2016 #46
k and r, with thanks. niyad May 2016 #47
it certainly helps at "geeks who drink" nights!! niyad May 2016 #48
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Free University like the rest of the CIVILIZED world. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #72
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Humanities is good for long thoughtful essays. What good is culture? or literacy? Bucky Jun 2016 #61
they are forms of capital Chiquitita Jun 2016 #63
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