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BainsBane

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16. I understand how it proceeded
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

but that still doesn't make it a coup, which is the violent overthrow of a government. Corruption allegations had to do with Petrobras rather than her individually, and ironically the new president has a slew of allegations of corruption against him. Clearly it's a power grab by the right, but it was not a military overthrow of a government.

In theory, impeachment is a charge brought before the Camara dos Deputados and the Senado convicts, not unlike our own system. If the Senate had convicted Bill Clinton, it would not have been a coup, even though it would have been a brazen partisan maneuver. There is a difference. Now this may well work to undermine political stability in Brazil, but again it is not the kind of military coup that Brazil has seen a number of times in its history (1889 and 1964, most notably).

From what I've read, she will likely be convicted for political reasons. The economic deterioration is what underlies all this. Without the worsening economic situation, the right would not have been able to get away with it.

I will also point out that Greenwald's claim the PT has governed in the name of the poor is not accurate. Lula was elected with the support of the economic elite, and the PT would not have been able to even gain power let alone hold it for a decade if they were primarily focused on the poor. The wealthy in Brazil are far too powerful for that to happen. The PT's appeal was much broader, and they continued to stay in office because the economy grew. The fact is the PT government is the longest serving since the transition to democracy.

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Brazil has been a mess for the past 20 years. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Yes and Americans are sick of constant war and nosiness yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #29
What is it the US should be doing? jberryhill Jun 2016 #2
Still Selling Neoliberal Unicorns: The US Applauds the Coup in Brazil, Calls It Democracy think Jun 2016 #4
Unbelievable. nt stillwaiting Jun 2016 #8
The question is "What is it the US should NOT be doing?". Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #21
Our record of picking governments in South America is not good jberryhill Jun 2016 #24
The US govt as a tool of the oligarchy needs to stop taking over other countries for the oligarchy. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #25
The US has taken over Brazil? jberryhill Jun 2016 #31
In a sense yes. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #37
Shannon's been running around like he was before the Honduran coup in '09 MisterP Jun 2016 #3
the US should not be intervening--what's going on there is scandalous, just like geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
The corporations supporting this coup are on Wall Street. We're in this thick as thieves.... think Jun 2016 #10
corporations would rather buy a pol like Dilma than throw an entire country geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
No. They took her out because she wouldn't play Wall Street's game think Jun 2016 #12
or, maybe corrupt politicians are abusing their office to cover their own crimes nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
You haven't read a single thing I've posted in regards to this have you.... think Jun 2016 #15
none of them support your claim that it was US corporations rather than corrupt Brazilian pols geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17
The new dictator just picked a Goldman Sachs banker out of a hat to take the top banking job? think Jun 2016 #32
GS is politically connected everywhere geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33
They've lined Hillary pockets very well. They lied to congress and screwed over their clients think Jun 2016 #35
Dilma was impeached BainsBane Jun 2016 #6
The “minister of transparency” helped carry out a coup on false corruption allegations think Jun 2016 #7
I understand how it proceeded BainsBane Jun 2016 #16
She hasn't even been charged and I just pointed out that the transparency think Jun 2016 #19
Everything is not about the US BainsBane Jun 2016 #28
No. America is most certainly at the heart of the bullshit happening in Brazil. think Jun 2016 #30
Would you be as blase about this "legal" measure........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #23
Indeed, most oppression is legal BainsBane Jun 2016 #27
A coup is a coup whether hard or soft..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #36
Since I would wager one of Hillary's speech fees that we helped cause it, it would be gauche to Doctor_J Jun 2016 #9
It would not be surprising in the least.... think Jun 2016 #13
Amazing silence malaise Jun 2016 #18
And what should Brazil have done skepticscott Jun 2016 #20
Brazil is the 5th largest country in population and one of the largest countires in PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #22
The US has a history of supporting right wing dictators. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #26
Their internal political issues is their problem, not ours. davidn3600 Jun 2016 #34
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