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Yo_Mama

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46. It makes him a social female rather than a biological female. In this case, a meaningful distinction

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:59 PM

Jun 2016

I do expect court cases RE Title IX for sports.

The reason we have different teams/competitions for sports is biological rather than social.

To put it bluntly, only a tiny fraction of biological women could compete on teams/organized sports if there were not this separation. Title IX has been interpeted to demand equal sports opportunities for each gender at education institutions receiving federal monies.

http://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/en/home/advocate/title-ix-and-issues/what-is-title-ix/standard-language-of-title-ix

Especially when it comes to the more competitive teams at top secondary institutions, a meaningful number of those slots may be taken by transgender (male to females).

In addition, the legal developments are moving toward using identification, and only identification, as a standard. There is a real legal issue here. I don't think there is one solution which will be fully "fair".

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Transgender track athlete makes history as controversy swirls around her [View all] Ex Lurker Jun 2016 OP

I'm surprised Palin hasn't said anything about this nt Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #1

Lady BLah Blah is still preparing her word salad. lpbk2713 Jun 2016 #4

Can we please tell these "Family" groups to shut the fuck up already? Initech Jun 2016 #2

It is a bit unfair, but christofascists can fuck themselves. Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #3

I does seem unfair. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #5

It's more than hormones - even on hormone therapy, MTFs will have higher muscle content Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #6

I agree. LisaL Jun 2016 #7

Not all research agrees... davidn3600 Jun 2016 #15

As far as I can tell, school can decide to allow a transgender female to compete against biological LisaL Jun 2016 #18

Not only "decide to", they HAVE to philosslayer Jun 2016 #56

Is there a law that a maab transgender take estrogen, should there be? braddy Jun 2016 #26

Hormone treatments aren't necessarily required to be considered transgender. EL34x4 Jun 2016 #30

I agree, it is, or is on the way to being purely self identification. braddy Jun 2016 #31

And they tend to be taller Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #78

There is a reason biological males compete against biological males, LisaL Jun 2016 #8

Harrison seems level headed about it. joshcryer Jun 2016 #13

They don't seem to test for anything. LisaL Jun 2016 #19

Good for her!! philosslayer Jun 2016 #9

There are valid reasons to discuss the issue Democat Jun 2016 #10

Instead of crying about losing a spot in the finals EL34x4 Jun 2016 #11

Someone who is biologically male winning against biological females is breaking barriers? LisaL Jun 2016 #17

Harrison wants to compete on an even field Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #21

This isn't breaking barriers... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #83

Complaining to a pro family, anti-LGBT group seems like a very douchy move. Initech Jun 2016 #12

Where did the students do that? joshcryer Jun 2016 #14

Hard call MosheFeingold Jun 2016 #16

That's probably the best way to go. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #74

There's an idea treestar Jun 2016 #75

Think what a kick ass girls softball team you could have. ileus Jun 2016 #20

Biological girls need not apply? Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #22

A relative is an educational administrator whose duties involve Title IX issues Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #24

Great post! deaniac21 Jun 2016 #63

If Bruce Jenner was allowed to compete against females back in his day, he'd win LisaL Jun 2016 #23

he won the 1976 olympic mens decathalon so he kinda already did win everything. nt JanMichael Jun 2016 #27

My point is, if he was allowed to compete against females, a female gold medalist would have been LisaL Jun 2016 #28

Women didnt compete in the decathalon back then davidn3600 Jun 2016 #29

Would it be fair for him to compete in pentathlon then? LisaL Jun 2016 #32

If he identified as a female, then I don't see the problem. philosslayer Jun 2016 #34

Him identifying as female doesn't make him a biological female. LisaL Jun 2016 #36

Him identifying as female makes him a female philosslayer Jun 2016 #38

It doesn't make his body and hormone levels to be that of the female. LisaL Jun 2016 #41

Doesn't matter philosslayer Jun 2016 #44

Athletic competition isn't about the "inner person." LisaL Jun 2016 #54

So let me get this straight... philosslayer Jun 2016 #55

When it comes to sport, people compete on how fast they run, or how far or high LisaL Jun 2016 #57

It makes him a social female rather than a biological female. In this case, a meaningful distinction Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #46

"a social female rather than a biological female"??? philosslayer Jun 2016 #47

Biologically of course they are not XY. That's so obvious that it needs no explanation. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #50

But its pretty much been accepted... philosslayer Jun 2016 #53

And there's the cnflict which will have to be hashed out Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #58

... and doing otherwise will discriminate against transgender females philosslayer Jun 2016 #60

In many cases that is true, but the physical reality is highly relevant sometimes. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #62

Many female athletes in high school forthemiddle Jun 2016 #73

+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #84

I'm torn here Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #25

I'm not torn. I think it's absolute bullshit. Marr Jun 2016 #49

Found this article. LisaL Jun 2016 #66

Grossly unlevel playing field. I strongly oppose this. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #33

So let me understand your reasoning.... philosslayer Jun 2016 #35

Why do even we ban performance enhancing drugs in sports? LisaL Jun 2016 #37

You're making my argument philosslayer Jun 2016 #39

Testosterone is a steroid hormone, which males have a lot more of. LisaL Jun 2016 #40

If I'm a baseball player... philosslayer Jun 2016 #43

IMHO, this issue has the potential to severly tarnish - if not destroy women's sports. jonno99 Jun 2016 #51

So whats your solution? philosslayer Jun 2016 #52

You tell me - what do you think is fair? How much effort does it take to become jonno99 Jun 2016 #59

The progressive community has made its decision philosslayer Jun 2016 #61

Would you also then agree Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #64

Of course there should be gender segregated sports philosslayer Jun 2016 #65

Why Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #80

Someone 7 feet tall... philosslayer Jun 2016 #81

Yes, but somebody born a man is more likely to be 7' tall Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #85

"Life isn't fair, and neither are sports." Hmm - really? So when transgendered women athletes jonno99 Jun 2016 #86

Good point. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #76

Nope, you didn't understand my reasoning. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #42

All I know... philosslayer Jun 2016 #45

Physically...she's a man... Ford F-150 Jun 2016 #48

That statement would be considered transphobic (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #68

And some might say there is a touch of sexism - even misogyny, in some jonno99 Jun 2016 #69

I know many Olympic athletes elljay Jun 2016 #77

I could make the exact same argument re: the bathroom issue philosslayer Jun 2016 #79

Just as gender-segregated restrooms and locker rooms seem to be on the decline, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #67

The fact female only events are the "Ladies" events... moriah Jun 2016 #71

I've got mixed emotions. moriah Jun 2016 #70

I do too, for the same reasons you stated. alarimer Jun 2016 #72

Actually, this is extremely unfair. tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #82