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20. One persistent complaint I've read
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jun 2016

And yes, Godwin, blah, blah, blah. But one persistent complaint over the years has been to blame the Jews in part for not rising up violently against the incipient Nazi regime. As if anyone could have predicted in the early stages what Hitler's rule would become for the Jews and others. ("But the warning signs were all there! Hitler even wrote a book about it!&quot The unspoken point has been that the Jews would have been justified in doing whatever they could - including riots, insurrection, and other violent resistance - to stop the rise of Hitler.

I'm not equating Trump with Hitler or the present-day United States with Weimar Germany. But, there may be some Muslims, some Latinos, some refugees, who take Trump at his word when he talks the way he does. (Are the warning signs there?) If you think the Jews would have been justified in taking whatever measures they could to resist Hitler, even early on, can you really condemn violence from people today who perceive themselves as having the same bead drawn on them as the Jews had 80 years ago?

There were surely some who counseled patience all those years ago: "Oh no, it may be oppressive, but we can manage. It won't be so bad. Decent people will stand with us and stop any real depredations. Keep quiet, don't stir up more trouble. Do you want things to get even worse for us?"

If people really regard the rise of Trump as an existential threat to themselves, can the culture of the United States, steeped as it in violence, really condemn meeting violence with violence?

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It doesn't help our cause one bit to burn the US flag or doc03 Jun 2016 #1
The only people that care about flag burning or the Mexican flag are republicans. Rex Jun 2016 #2
Well duh that is the point it just inflames them, that is what the doc03 Jun 2016 #4
Wow so carrying a Mexican flag pisses you off? In the Land of the Free? Rex Jun 2016 #6
Now come on you have Trump wanting to deport Mexicans and build a wall. doc03 Jun 2016 #12
Yeah. How dare you show pride in your heritage. mac56 Jun 2016 #16
i find pride in ones heritage, country, race, or whatever to be an odd concept no matter who PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #31
Not everyone feels that way. mac56 Jun 2016 #33
I agree, I have never understood burning the US flag and waving the Mexican flag. Jim Beard Jun 2016 #34
word tenderfoot Jun 2016 #5
Been lurking over at DI and that type of reply is the standard reply over there by the cons. Rex Jun 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #8
That is not true at all nt Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #9
Lets look at the list Mnpaul Jun 2016 #23
Oh is that a law? No didn't think so nice try. Rex Jun 2016 #30
You said that the only people that care about flag burning are Republicans Mnpaul Jun 2016 #36
I find the GOPKKK to be a little bit two faced, since their main love is to be violent assholes. Rex Jun 2016 #3
Understandable? Yes. GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #10
Totally disagree...totally joeybee12 Jun 2016 #11
I agree and can't see why anyone would think burning the US flag or egging a person doc03 Jun 2016 #13
Where's MLK Jr. when you need him? nt joeybee12 Jun 2016 #14
You can't use media and substance deaniac21 Jun 2016 #19
where do they get this stuff ? Angel Martin Jun 2016 #15
Well you know what they say, romanic Jun 2016 #17
I think he has needed his butt kicked his entire pitiful life. nt JEB Jun 2016 #18
One persistent complaint I've read gratuitous Jun 2016 #20
Great points. I agree. fried eggs Jun 2016 #21
people don't know the history of the 20's and Angel Martin Jun 2016 #22
No, they don't gratuitous Jun 2016 #25
I disagree. It's wrong AND it is counter-productive. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #24
MLK and Ghandi would disagree, violence serves no useful purpose with this beachbum bob Jun 2016 #26
Inciting violence is genius because you can always control and direct it very precisely. merrily Jun 2016 #27
When liberals engage in violence in protest against Trump, they are lowering themselves liberal N proud Jun 2016 #28
My position on the violence in San Jose bluestateguy Jun 2016 #29
I think this stupid, evil bilge is bordering on criminal Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #32
Yeah, it's easy to write that shit now Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #35
Shaking my head. ImLiberalNotLeftist Jun 2016 #37
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