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moriah

(8,312 posts)
70. I've got mixed emotions.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jun 2016

I definitely want every FTM to have the right to compete in male events, but some might be disqualified for the very hormone shots they take for masculinity.

I also do NOT want any kind of rule that makes it harder on female athletes with androgen insensitivity to be able to compete despite having an XY genotype in female events, as while they may have slightly more of an advantage if the androgen insensitivity is only partial, they have identified as female their whole lives and wouldn't be allowed to compete in male events because they lack male genitals and have from birth.

Bodies that did get to develop in the presence of active, useful testosterone do on the average grow taller, stronger, and stockier, though.

If it were more common and accepted for testosterone blocking and estrogen therapy to begin before puberty, I'd say that being the requirement for competition as a female would work. Most test isn't really excreted in massive quantities until then. But it's not common.

I really don't know what is fair to all athletes.

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I'm surprised Palin hasn't said anything about this nt Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #1
Lady BLah Blah is still preparing her word salad. lpbk2713 Jun 2016 #4
Can we please tell these "Family" groups to shut the fuck up already? Initech Jun 2016 #2
It is a bit unfair, but christofascists can fuck themselves. Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #3
I does seem unfair. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #5
It's more than hormones - even on hormone therapy, MTFs will have higher muscle content Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #6
I agree. LisaL Jun 2016 #7
Not all research agrees... davidn3600 Jun 2016 #15
As far as I can tell, school can decide to allow a transgender female to compete against biological LisaL Jun 2016 #18
Not only "decide to", they HAVE to philosslayer Jun 2016 #56
Is there a law that a maab transgender take estrogen, should there be? braddy Jun 2016 #26
Hormone treatments aren't necessarily required to be considered transgender. EL34x4 Jun 2016 #30
I agree, it is, or is on the way to being purely self identification. braddy Jun 2016 #31
And they tend to be taller Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #78
There is a reason biological males compete against biological males, LisaL Jun 2016 #8
Harrison seems level headed about it. joshcryer Jun 2016 #13
They don't seem to test for anything. LisaL Jun 2016 #19
Good for her!! philosslayer Jun 2016 #9
There are valid reasons to discuss the issue Democat Jun 2016 #10
Instead of crying about losing a spot in the finals EL34x4 Jun 2016 #11
Someone who is biologically male winning against biological females is breaking barriers? LisaL Jun 2016 #17
Harrison wants to compete on an even field Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #21
This isn't breaking barriers... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #83
Complaining to a pro family, anti-LGBT group seems like a very douchy move. Initech Jun 2016 #12
Where did the students do that? joshcryer Jun 2016 #14
Hard call MosheFeingold Jun 2016 #16
That's probably the best way to go. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #74
There's an idea treestar Jun 2016 #75
Think what a kick ass girls softball team you could have. ileus Jun 2016 #20
Biological girls need not apply? Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #22
A relative is an educational administrator whose duties involve Title IX issues Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #24
Great post! deaniac21 Jun 2016 #63
If Bruce Jenner was allowed to compete against females back in his day, he'd win LisaL Jun 2016 #23
he won the 1976 olympic mens decathalon so he kinda already did win everything. nt JanMichael Jun 2016 #27
My point is, if he was allowed to compete against females, a female gold medalist would have been LisaL Jun 2016 #28
Women didnt compete in the decathalon back then davidn3600 Jun 2016 #29
Would it be fair for him to compete in pentathlon then? LisaL Jun 2016 #32
If he identified as a female, then I don't see the problem. philosslayer Jun 2016 #34
Him identifying as female doesn't make him a biological female. LisaL Jun 2016 #36
Him identifying as female makes him a female philosslayer Jun 2016 #38
It doesn't make his body and hormone levels to be that of the female. LisaL Jun 2016 #41
Doesn't matter philosslayer Jun 2016 #44
Athletic competition isn't about the "inner person." LisaL Jun 2016 #54
So let me get this straight... philosslayer Jun 2016 #55
When it comes to sport, people compete on how fast they run, or how far or high LisaL Jun 2016 #57
It makes him a social female rather than a biological female. In this case, a meaningful distinction Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #46
"a social female rather than a biological female"??? philosslayer Jun 2016 #47
Biologically of course they are not XY. That's so obvious that it needs no explanation. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #50
But its pretty much been accepted... philosslayer Jun 2016 #53
And there's the cnflict which will have to be hashed out Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #58
... and doing otherwise will discriminate against transgender females philosslayer Jun 2016 #60
In many cases that is true, but the physical reality is highly relevant sometimes. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #62
Many female athletes in high school forthemiddle Jun 2016 #73
+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #84
I'm torn here Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #25
I'm not torn. I think it's absolute bullshit. Marr Jun 2016 #49
Found this article. LisaL Jun 2016 #66
Grossly unlevel playing field. I strongly oppose this. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #33
So let me understand your reasoning.... philosslayer Jun 2016 #35
Why do even we ban performance enhancing drugs in sports? LisaL Jun 2016 #37
You're making my argument philosslayer Jun 2016 #39
Testosterone is a steroid hormone, which males have a lot more of. LisaL Jun 2016 #40
If I'm a baseball player... philosslayer Jun 2016 #43
IMHO, this issue has the potential to severly tarnish - if not destroy women's sports. jonno99 Jun 2016 #51
So whats your solution? philosslayer Jun 2016 #52
You tell me - what do you think is fair? How much effort does it take to become jonno99 Jun 2016 #59
The progressive community has made its decision philosslayer Jun 2016 #61
Would you also then agree Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #64
Of course there should be gender segregated sports philosslayer Jun 2016 #65
Why Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #80
Someone 7 feet tall... philosslayer Jun 2016 #81
Yes, but somebody born a man is more likely to be 7' tall Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #85
"Life isn't fair, and neither are sports." Hmm - really? So when transgendered women athletes jonno99 Jun 2016 #86
Good point. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #76
Nope, you didn't understand my reasoning. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #42
All I know... philosslayer Jun 2016 #45
Physically...she's a man... Ford F-150 Jun 2016 #48
That statement would be considered transphobic (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #68
And some might say there is a touch of sexism - even misogyny, in some jonno99 Jun 2016 #69
I know many Olympic athletes elljay Jun 2016 #77
I could make the exact same argument re: the bathroom issue philosslayer Jun 2016 #79
Just as gender-segregated restrooms and locker rooms seem to be on the decline, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #67
The fact female only events are the "Ladies" events... moriah Jun 2016 #71
I've got mixed emotions. moriah Jun 2016 #70
I do too, for the same reasons you stated. alarimer Jun 2016 #72
Actually, this is extremely unfair. tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #82
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