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whatthehey

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16. The main obstacle is human nature
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

Way too many people see work as a means of self-identification and self-worth, especially in the US (the question "what do you do?" asked to people of different nationalities elicits varying answers, but in the US is always answered with a job if the respondent has one). It's how many people assert hierarchy or choose friends and acquaintances. It is also to some a genuine source of pastime when they lack the interest in finding another. The UBI is surely possible and even laudable as labor becomes less and less the sine qua non of productive endeavors, but it will be a long and wrenching road to acceptance. For me personally I'd take it in a heartbeat and be happy getting deeper and deeper into some aspect of ancient history or German philosophy of the 19th century. I'd much rather do that and live modestly than live as well off as I do and waste my time shuffling data and making widgets, but alas I have not yet amassed enough capital to make that a viable option (getting closer - I'll retire long before SSI). Somebody else could do my job and we'd both be happier. But hell people have gone back to work as meatpackers after winning the lottery so they need something to do obviously.

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But those Republicans want to make everyone work... scscholar Jun 2016 #1
Give it time LuckyTheDog Jun 2016 #2
It did in sweden Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #3
it did what? nt Javaman Jun 2016 #20
Went away Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #21
can you point me to a link? Javaman Jun 2016 #23
Switzerland's (not sweden) voters reject basic income plan. They felt it would be too expensive Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #24
I have read a lot about the coming jobless economy because jwirr Jun 2016 #4
Nobody planned for this Hydra Jun 2016 #5
And that is just exactly what I am talking about - being jwirr Jun 2016 #6
We're at a crossroads Hydra Jun 2016 #7
70% of food grown goes to waste lostnfound Jun 2016 #8
The solution is jobs, not basic income. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #9
I'm guessing a reduced workweek at more pay to make up the difference? The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #10
Of course it will. Labor shortage is the only thing that raises pay. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #14
I can't argue about the social benefits of work, I agree The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #31
I think it's short-sighted to believe there is merely one solution LanternWaste Jun 2016 #11
I've worked long enough with the disabled to believe that work is the solution to social isolation. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #15
Very stupid idea.nt clarice Jun 2016 #12
HA HA HA, you actually think Capitalism's going to solve the problems it creates. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #13
Did you just laugh at me? That's not the communist way.... clarice Jun 2016 #17
Yyyyyyyeah, I don't speak wingnutese. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #18
ohhhhh someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Name calling? nt clarice Jun 2016 #22
. . . said the false-dilemma tosser calling people Communists . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #29
I didn't mean that YOU were a communist....lol clarice Jun 2016 #30
What ?? Only the most trustworthy blog articles come with php errors Bonx Jun 2016 #25
Right????? nt clarice Jun 2016 #26
The main obstacle is human nature whatthehey Jun 2016 #16
A universal basic income would not lead to idleness LuckyTheDog Jun 2016 #32
Of course it would for some, assuming you define "idleness" whatthehey Jun 2016 #34
100% employment has expired as a need or goal because of technology. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #19
Because work is becoming obsolete, I agree. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #27
Gwynne Dyer is still wearing the same leather jacket he had 25 year ago Angel Martin Jun 2016 #28
My car is older than his jacket. hunter Jun 2016 #33
There is no safety net out there for adults without minor children Marrah_G Jun 2016 #35
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