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patrice

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10. Will those be more or less who starve and have no hope than will starve and have no hope because of

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:59 AM

Jun 2012

the transition to __________________ (???) that you predict would be the result of this "cleansing"?

How many is really an unacceptable question to a Liberal such as I am, because the justification for the cleanse is the intrinsic value of humanity, so we violate that principle by hurting people in order to "save" them, or at least by hurting those who DO NOT CHOOSE the pain consequent upon this change.

But - How many, anyway: How many starving and without hope as established elements of the status quo evolve toward what you would identify as valid change - compared to - how many starving and without hope as the result of something relatively new that precipitates faster change toward a relatively similar objective?

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Could Obama pull a Johnson this late in the game? If he knows he is going to lose [View all] CK_John Jun 2012 OP

What reason would Obama have to believe his defeat was inevitable? fishwax Jun 2012 #1

Today showed he has no idea how to win against an irrational liar like Mitt. CK_John Jun 2012 #7

It was harder the first time jberryhill Jun 2012 #15

2008 will never happen again and it would be a waste to try and duplicate it.. CK_John Jun 2012 #22

Stick to the point jberryhill Jun 2012 #24

Fair enough, I think if he knows, he should step aside. nt CK_John Jun 2012 #27

you nuts? demosincebirth Jun 2012 #49

Hello Mitt Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #105

Well..... cliffordu Jun 2012 #125

That's ridiculous, and he and his team have HAMMERED Mittens and will continue to. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #36

We would need this depression to get much worse to cleanse both parties MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #2

one side is much worse, and if there is a depression, that is how nazi Germany came into being /nt still_one Jun 2012 #4

It's also how FDR, the New Deal, and 40 years of prosperity MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #5

That was a decent comeback. truedelphi Jun 2012 #23

That's how labor got killed. joshcryer Jun 2012 #54

Labor was killed in the New Deal? MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #74

Labor was certainly killed by the NLRB paving the way for Taft–Hartley. joshcryer Jun 2012 #87

Union membership increased by 300% under FDR MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #89

'40 years of prosperity' helped along by WWII, Korea and Vietnam. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #110

Which helps prove the point that Keynsian spending is needed MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #111

Uh, that would have been WWII, actually. cliffordu Jun 2012 #126

Uh, jobless rolls dropped by 40% in FDR's first term MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #128

sure you do, manny... dionysus Jun 2012 #8

Ahh, the ROFL glyph MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #9

keep sputtering manny... dionysus Jun 2012 #81

Will those be more or less who starve and have no hope than will starve and have no hope because of patrice Jun 2012 #10

yah, you hate it so much you're wishing cali Jun 2012 #11

I'm absolutely NOT wishing it MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #13

Manny, You said "We NEED". That most certainly is wishing for it. cali Jun 2012 #17

Sorry, I don't think that's how our language works. MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #21

Anyone calling for a depression is an 'enemy of the people'. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #45

The Grand Historical Materialism Roadmap. joshcryer Jun 2012 #55

The coffeehouse plotters willingly sacrifice the pawns in their grand schemes against Tyranny. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #61

Manny in the coffeeshop, with his black beret, riffing about the bourgeois... dionysus Jun 2012 #98

That's one of the more disgusting proposals I've seen you make. MineralMan Jun 2012 #51

Correct, it's a perfectly bourgeoisie statement to make. joshcryer Jun 2012 #56

I know of no caring person who makes such statements, either. MineralMan Jun 2012 #59

It is even more disgusting to keep supporting policies that are destroying the working class. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #129

And who did you have in mind who is doing that? MineralMan Jun 2012 #130

Yes, it truly is disgusting. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #131

In the immortal words of MineralMan Jun 2012 #133

The answer is right here on DU. I assume you read DU do you not? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #134

It's an *observation*, not a proposal. Nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #70

We all know better than that, Manny. MineralMan Jun 2012 #77

One of us has huge difficulties with the English language MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #79

I will have a good day, thanks. MineralMan Jun 2012 #80

sorry manny, by now we all know what you're about, you can't wriggle out of it so easily... dionysus Jun 2012 #100

And another with français. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #124

Unsurprising that you'd say that. joshcryer Jun 2012 #53

Nader is a 1%'er. He'd stay safe. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #68

Basically anyone who says that is likely a 1%er or at least a 5%er. joshcryer Jun 2012 #88

I am not a 1%er. My husband is on disability and I hope to get my pension adigal Jun 2012 #113

Vile. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #60

It's telling that you are using the word "cleanse" with regard to MineralMan Jun 2012 #64

That's the word used in the OP, genius MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #72

Uh, you used it in the title of your reply, Manny. MineralMan Jun 2012 #78

Truth hurts, and you're right on. Brickbat Jun 2012 #127

Yeah, that would make things better, guaranteed. tabasco Jun 2012 #132

no. not a chance. ridiculous. cali Jun 2012 #3

You said the same thing when I pointed out the antiRecall feelings would play CK_John Jun 2012 #16

no I didn't. I thought the same thing and I never thought Walker would be recalled. cali Jun 2012 #18

Spam deleted by Morning Dew (MIR Team) Heather4 Jun 2012 #6

Johnson "pulled a Johnson" in March 1968 Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #12

What if Gov Scott defies the DOJ with Florida state troopers. If CK_John Jun 2012 #19

Gov Scott does not actually run the voter rolls jberryhill Jun 2012 #25

That's today, what is to prevent him storming the offices, change the locks CK_John Jun 2012 #28

Scott is a Republican, remember? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #34

Floridians are already beginning to resist Surya Gayatri Jun 2012 #39

Johnson also had a serious heart condition Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #52

He died in 1973, almost exactly 4 years after leaving office, Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #114

Someone is definitely pulling on a Johnson here jberryhill Jun 2012 #14

I still don't understand why he'd want to pull out his Johnson Major Nikon Jun 2012 #29

Trying to turn empty, silly speculation into a DU meme, I suspect... Surya Gayatri Jun 2012 #40

Now, That, Sir, Is A DUzy.... The Magistrate Jun 2012 #106

Give me a fucking break. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #20

+1000 jberryhill Jun 2012 #26

obama leading in every natl poll, electoral college poll, up in fl K8-EEE Jun 2012 #31

Exactly! Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #33

+1,000 ! Thanks for saying this, DI! Surya Gayatri Jun 2012 #41

Well there's Manny and then there's everyone else JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #43

Amen! treestar Jun 2012 #58

+1000 JoePhilly Jun 2012 #63

CK_John is a classic Obama Hater from way back alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #73

they realize they're gonna have 4 more years, and they're getting desperate. side effect is, we dionysus Jun 2012 #84

I do not hate Obama, I supported Hillary in the primary and will not CK_John Jun 2012 #86

WOULD MITT BE BETTER??? K8-EEE Jun 2012 #92

I can't believe some folks are still bitter... snooper2 Jun 2012 #117

There's quite a few of them still around these parts. I'm almost embarrased for them at this point. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #121

Old days your comment would be locked, now, not even worth alerting! Logical Jun 2012 #108

DI you've done it again! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #120

He's still doing well in Electoral college predictions, and that's what will count in the end. nt pnwmom Jun 2012 #30

You only posted this because you wanted to say "pulling a johnson" cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #32

Either you are a TROLL, chronically negative, or have no sense of political reality. FOOLISH post. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #35

a spurned hillary supporter, who will never get over the primary loss... dionysus Jun 2012 #103

Johnson had serious doubts about his own ability as President bigtree Jun 2012 #37

Do something constructive BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #38

Silly, useless post. Damn, what happened to that "UNRECCOMMEND" button? Surya Gayatri Jun 2012 #42

What are the odds that Romney could defeat Obama? kentuck Jun 2012 #44

40-60 dems_rightnow Jun 2012 #46

There is no other candidate to hand off to quaker bill Jun 2012 #47

WTF? Really? Here? Hmmm. n/t b/c I am speechless. PCIntern Jun 2012 #48

If he knows he is going to lose??? bwahahahahaa spanone Jun 2012 #50

Very late to the primary Obama game treestar Jun 2012 #57

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #62

Please pull your Johnson somewhere more private. MineralMan Jun 2012 #65

Andrew Johnson???? FarCenter Jun 2012 #66

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Iggo Jun 2012 #67

Well, Reagan said something about pulling a boner once slackmaster Jun 2012 #69

Are you fucking serious? boxman15 Jun 2012 #71

he tried to climb the stupid idea tree, fell, and hit every branch on the way down... dionysus Jun 2012 #82

Why are you perpetrating a RW meme fostered by the (cough) "liberal" media? Hatchling Jun 2012 #75

Watch V for Vendetta to see what "Scorched Earth" gets yer. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #76

this might be the dumbest OP in DU history. dionysus Jun 2012 #83

The post or the poster? CreekDog Jun 2012 #93

hard to differentiate. dionysus Jun 2012 #97

He'll probably do this after surrendering the US military to the Taliban. n/t hughee99 Jun 2012 #85

I have seen some strange OP's around here . . . Brigid Jun 2012 #90

same source probably CreekDog Jun 2012 #91

He just wanted to say "pulling a johnson". Quantess Jun 2012 #95

There is no indication Obama will lose, so don't see the pt. of your negative post. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #94

Things most likely are going to get worse, especially mmonk Jun 2012 #96

I thought they cured polio in the 50's . lonestarnot Jun 2012 #99

WFT are you talking about????? Polio and running for a second term?? CK_John Jun 2012 #101

How long have you been this lame? jberryhill Jun 2012 #102

LOL lonestarnot Jun 2012 #109

Zing!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #122

no, pulling a Johnson will only make it harder....n/t unkachuck Jun 2012 #104

The stupid, it burns RetroLounge Jun 2012 #107

'pull a Johnson' he-he that is funny! WI_DEM Jun 2012 #112

We're already in a Depression. area51 Jun 2012 #115

YOUR CONCERN IS NOTED. stevenleser Jun 2012 #116

kick for FAIL dionysus Jun 2012 #118

Your concern is duly noted KamaAina Jun 2012 #119

I think the responses in this thread pretty say it all, except this! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #123