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RainDog

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20. but he's referring to modern day religious fundamentalists
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 02:29 AM
Dec 2011

not historical figures.

Lincoln was elected in 1860. Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859. It would be entirely understandable for a religious person at that time to be a creation literalist in that context.

To believe in creationism at this time, as in a young earth creationism, is simply a refusal to accept reality b/c it interferes with belief. Even though those beliefs are a direct result of the Second Great Awakening, to hold such beliefs now is just tribalism.

If the OP wants to rant about fundamentalists and their beliefs AT THIS TIME - there is no need to chastise that such people do not represent the majority of believers, right? Because that's not what he said he was talking about.

Fundamentalists became involved in politics when our nation moved to respect the religious rights of others in the 1960s with court decisions that moved prayers out of schools, with the civil rights act of the 1960s, in the 1970s with rulings that respected the rights of women to make reproductive health care decisions (that followed the development of birth control and the right to use it in the 1960s), and with the rejection of military service and support for American militarism in the 1960s because of the lies of the Johnson and Nixon administrations.

Fundamentalist Christians are not a minority in the south. The reason the south now goes to Republicans in elections is because of the large fundamentalist voting bloc there.

Republicans won the Senate for the first time since 1952 because of Reagan's appeal to white racists in the south (i.e. The Southern Strategy.) If not for religious fundamentalists, Republicans would not win elections in the U.S.

Religious fundamentalists will not align with a party that is pro-choice and pro-equal rights unless that religious faction substantially reinterprets its idea of civic involvement.

If Democrats try to curry favor with religious fundamentalists by kowtowing to them on social issues - Democrats will lose their base. They'll also lose the future because greater progress is the arrow of political time in the U.S., even when politicians don't recognize this.

iow, I have no problem with someone ranting about religious fundamentalists because our recent history has demonstrated that they retard civil rights and economic justice. If you can demonstrate how this is not true - I'd love to see it. In the present - not a hundred years ago.

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Okay, I won't jberryhill Dec 2011 #1
When I see these "don't expect me" posts grantcart Dec 2011 #16
I hate that people try to push their religion on me every time I sneeze. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #2
I suppose if that ever happens, I'll join you in that dislike. Deep13 Dec 2011 #4
Frankly, I see plenty of obnoxiously self-rightous atheists. TheWraith Dec 2011 #12
It's going to take a whole lot more to catch up with the Christian zealots Major Nikon Dec 2011 #19
Don't worry, they make up for it in volume. nt Union Scribe Dec 2011 #22
We try. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2011 #30
Like forcing them to take their kids to a doctor? Or forcing them to... Logical Dec 2011 #5
Where has that happened in this country? Hugabear Dec 2011 #7
Not in this country DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #8
Well said, Hugabear. tblue Dec 2011 #17
You're infringing my right to oppress Jews, women, and gays! Deep13 Dec 2011 #3
Ok, but you also left out the counter arguments RZM Dec 2011 #6
I'm referring to extremist religious fundamentalists - not moderate religious followers Hugabear Dec 2011 #9
Plenty of abolitionists were not 'moderate religious followers' RZM Dec 2011 #11
but he's referring to modern day religious fundamentalists RainDog Dec 2011 #20
Carter brought the evangelicals into presidential politics RZM Dec 2011 #21
Nixon initiated the southern strategy that started the white fundie realignment RainDog Dec 2011 #25
oh, and just to note - Carter did not kowtow to the fundies on social issues RainDog Dec 2011 #26
Here's what Carter said RainDog Dec 2011 #27
Yes, but you couldn't help get some swipes in against them, too. nt Union Scribe Dec 2011 #23
BRAVO! I couldn't agree more. I consider all religious fundamentalists to be a Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #10
if I didn't believe my belief was correct, then why would I believe it? hfojvt Dec 2011 #13
Yeah...RW fundies are totally serious problems for the rest of humanity. They're ignorant, Zorra Dec 2011 #14
"But for the most part, I really don't have any major quarrels quinnox Dec 2011 #15
I wouldn't dream of it n/t Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #18
And by the way, saying "There is no God" isn't any more bigoted than saying "Jesus loves you" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #24
I imagine taking any human construct to the extreme is counter-productive... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #28
True Puzzledtraveller Dec 2011 #29
Well, part of the problem with fundamentalism... lapislzi Dec 2011 #31
Locking: Posts that deal with religion MineralMan Dec 2011 #32
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