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whatthehey

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34. Of course it would for some, assuming you define "idleness"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jun 2016

as "not working to produce anything of commercial value". Where societies have afforded this option to privileged minorities in the past, from the monied gentry in 18-19th Century Britain to the Russian nobility in pre-revolutionary times to the free citizens of Periclean Athens, the people engaged in pohilosophy, natural sciences, intellectual inquiry and yes pure hedonism for the less cerebral. Western science began because "idle" Greeks could draw triangles in sand all day and work out geometry rather than growing crops or selling wine. The theory of evolution was developed because a well to do Victorian Englishman could spend five years on a ship collecting and drawing specimens rather than being the country doctor he originally set out to be. Dostoyevsky, pre banishment, could sit and read and study philosophy because he got money from his father's estates. Crime and Punishment would hardly have been the same were he forced to become a tailor instead. None of the above "worked" in the sense it's used in our labor market, and they and millions of others were supported by unearned income. Many of those millions just sat on their duffs and did bugger all of note, and sure some "worked" by choice, managing commercial interests or launching new businesses.

UBI would create the same here. Some would sit idly, some would have the time and interest to increase the store of knowledge and art for all mankind regardless of profit, and some would be driven to amass more wealth from industriousness. None of these is intrinsically "wrong" except to a neopuritan outlook that changes the k in work to a th. When the world needs less work to provide an overabundance of its needs, which is already true and getting more so daily, you aither need to reduce work or waste it. The latter is simply insane and inhumane.

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But those Republicans want to make everyone work... scscholar Jun 2016 #1
Give it time LuckyTheDog Jun 2016 #2
It did in sweden Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #3
it did what? nt Javaman Jun 2016 #20
Went away Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #21
can you point me to a link? Javaman Jun 2016 #23
Switzerland's (not sweden) voters reject basic income plan. They felt it would be too expensive Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #24
I have read a lot about the coming jobless economy because jwirr Jun 2016 #4
Nobody planned for this Hydra Jun 2016 #5
And that is just exactly what I am talking about - being jwirr Jun 2016 #6
We're at a crossroads Hydra Jun 2016 #7
70% of food grown goes to waste lostnfound Jun 2016 #8
The solution is jobs, not basic income. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #9
I'm guessing a reduced workweek at more pay to make up the difference? The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #10
Of course it will. Labor shortage is the only thing that raises pay. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #14
I can't argue about the social benefits of work, I agree The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #31
I think it's short-sighted to believe there is merely one solution LanternWaste Jun 2016 #11
I've worked long enough with the disabled to believe that work is the solution to social isolation. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #15
Very stupid idea.nt clarice Jun 2016 #12
HA HA HA, you actually think Capitalism's going to solve the problems it creates. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #13
Did you just laugh at me? That's not the communist way.... clarice Jun 2016 #17
Yyyyyyyeah, I don't speak wingnutese. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #18
ohhhhh someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Name calling? nt clarice Jun 2016 #22
. . . said the false-dilemma tosser calling people Communists . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #29
I didn't mean that YOU were a communist....lol clarice Jun 2016 #30
What ?? Only the most trustworthy blog articles come with php errors Bonx Jun 2016 #25
Right????? nt clarice Jun 2016 #26
The main obstacle is human nature whatthehey Jun 2016 #16
A universal basic income would not lead to idleness LuckyTheDog Jun 2016 #32
Of course it would for some, assuming you define "idleness" whatthehey Jun 2016 #34
100% employment has expired as a need or goal because of technology. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #19
Because work is becoming obsolete, I agree. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #27
Gwynne Dyer is still wearing the same leather jacket he had 25 year ago Angel Martin Jun 2016 #28
My car is older than his jacket. hunter Jun 2016 #33
There is no safety net out there for adults without minor children Marrah_G Jun 2016 #35
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