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haele

(15,546 posts)
18. The real problems arise when the debts are sold.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jun 2016

And there's a mistake, either in the identification of the person who owes, or the entity that sold the package of debts sells an out of date spreadsheet where half the people on it had paid off the debt or had been paying on the debt and it wasn't recorded properly.
The seller of the debt has no responsibility to verify the accuracy of the debt spreadsheet they are selling. They can claim any amount is owed, provide just a name and the city of the center, and the new debt collector can harass some poor schub who made a mistake back in the 1990's and co-signed on a debt that ended up in collections that s/he dutifully paid off in the early 2000's when they went after anyone associated with that bill.
Even if the paperwork is still in that person's possession, it doesn't matter if the collection company just takes the person to court in another state to ensure they get a garnishment even though the debt had been paid off 9 years earlier.
That happened to my husband with a cell phone account he had with his ex... and our joint bank account had $780 garnished a couple years ago from a court order out of New Jersey. We didn't get served until 3 days before the hearing - and we're in California!
He still has the paperwork from the previous bill collector discharging a $200 final bill he had owed MCI. It would cost us $2k initially just to get a lawyer to file an appeal in New Jersey to get the money back. Another $5k or so to sue the collector - if they're still in business.
So does my husband just take the credit hit and suck up the outright theft, or do we throw thousands more into the system now to try and get our $780 back along with the court costs - eventually. Maybe.
So, we went ahead and spent $300 to file noterize complaints to the New Jersey court that issued the ruling, the Consumer Protection Agency, and several other official licensing organizations that deal with creditors, debt collection, and businesses in general. That's all we could afford to do - and I'd guarantee that the fraudulent debt collector had made a quick Credit check on us prior to filing a claim against us to insure we weren't of the level of household income to be able to fight them in court. We were easy pickings, even if there had been a mistake made by a previous creditor and we owed nothing.

Not to mention a co-worker 's 5-year old daughter who's name was the same as someone else who was being dunned (damn spell check) a bill collector. He kept getting really nasty calls about her store card "debt" from two years before she was born, and how she was going to jail and lose everything if she didn't pay.
They just wouldn't believe she was 5 years old.
Took him three years to track down all the different credit reporting agencies and clear her credit record. He's afraid it may come back in a few years depending on whether or not the list identifying her by name only was finally scrubbed.



Haele

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I just try to stay out of debt and get any I have paid off quickly. linuxman Jun 2016 #1
Did you listen to the example from John Oliver? Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #2
Literally nothing I said is at odds with your first 3 paragraphs. linuxman Jun 2016 #8
Please go back and re-read my OP with the edit. It just blows my mind that you cannot wrap your Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #9
I never assumed you were poor, nor anything else about you. linuxman Jun 2016 #20
I'm the same way linuxman Yupster Jun 2016 #16
Once you get the big stuff out of the way, linuxman Jun 2016 #21
The real problems arise when the debts are sold. haele Jun 2016 #18
That sounds pretty shitty. linuxman Jun 2016 #22
I do that on unsolicited calls selling anything Jim Beard Jun 2016 #3
I had to talk with them a bunch and I wasn't even in debt nor owed any. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #4
Yes, of course. Because it's the debt collector's fault that you're in debt. WillowTree Jun 2016 #5
DID YA CATCH THE PART WHERE I SAID "VICTIM" OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT? Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #6
Did you catch the part where you didn't give any info about your "victimhood"? WillowTree Jun 2016 #13
Your post has been bothering me and I think I just figured out why. Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #28
It's the debt collector's fault for violating laws with impunity. killbotfactory Jun 2016 #7
I have almost no debt, and all of what I do have is current, but I still get harassed Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #10
^^^This^^^^ Gormy Cuss Jun 2016 #15
I had that problem. Previous owner of my phone number was in debt, got harrassed for months. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #24
A couple of my mother's friends have been tricked Mariana Jun 2016 #11
Thank you. From my experience they lie for a living. And from reading some of the Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #12
I agree. It IS the way conservatives think annabanana Jun 2016 #14
The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act is strictly enforced closeupready Jun 2016 #17
my sister got into trouble and since my dad had co-signed for her they started calling my mom demtenjeep Jun 2016 #19
That's it! That is what I was talking about and I'm so glad to hear someone used it way before it Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #25
I'm friendly with debt collectors. It's the worst job in the world. hunter Jun 2016 #23
I am really sorry you had to experience these things. Hopefully our country is Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #26
ask them if they are licensed KT2000 Jun 2016 #27
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