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Hortensis

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179. We definitely agree, sounds like probably

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:12 AM

Jun 2016

on almost everything.

I don't know if you remember, but after Bush's announcement that we were going to war, retired top-level people from military, intelligence, foreign affairs, presidents, you name it, started speaking up and saying it was a very bad idea. Every week or two another big name stepping up. General Schwarzkopf was among the first. Even Bush's father spoke to private groups to get on the record. The lies about WMD were also exposed, of course, long before we landed soldiers. Other extremely questionable things were revealed. Yet by and large people did nothing.

Which brings us back to my original notion that going to war should affect everyone personally, however we manage it.

Your comment about hating "real echelon soldiers" made me smile. Of course. Our son did electronics on an aircraft carrier in the first gulf war. We were so glad. Your parents served too.

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Yellowstone tourist ignores warning signs, walks off boardwalk, dies in hot spring [View all] Ex Lurker Jun 2016 OP

You sound like a uncaring asshole IMO. someone died. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #1

It is a tragedy. Adolescence is a dangerous age, Hortensis Jun 2016 #15

Men in their early 20s are adolescents? Nt a la izquierda Jun 2016 #19

Oh, yes. Still years away from mature brain development. Hortensis Jun 2016 #22

Then it's great that we give them guns and a la izquierda Jun 2016 #24

Well, nobody said they weren't expendable for the corporate war machine. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #26

Yup. Note that "we" has always been their Hortensis Jun 2016 #31

The young men are best suited for the rigors of war, not many 50 year olds are able to handle braddy Jun 2016 #110

Sure, it undoubtedly was a reason, but Hortensis Jun 2016 #113

Nonsense, if you want to serve, then apply when you are young and fit enough to possibly qualify. braddy Jun 2016 #116

Older people would come in with valuable skills Hortensis Jun 2016 #117

You really don't understand the military and it's needs and demands, not to mention why they would braddy Jun 2016 #119

That pic is older then your comment implies. Lancero Jun 2016 #174

What do you mean? That is the source that I got my picture from, it is just a mild example of why braddy Jun 2016 #175

Why did you put serve in quotation marks? tabasco Jun 2016 #150

Tabasco, because for some it's far more self serve Hortensis Jun 2016 #158

Yes, but all military members, even cooks and clerks, are serving their country. tabasco Jun 2016 #167

Fwiw, you served by my definition. And exactly that there Hortensis Jun 2016 #168

We agree on the big stuff. tabasco Jun 2016 #169

We definitely agree, sounds like probably Hortensis Jun 2016 #179

That's *why* we give them guns and send them off to war Fumesucker Jun 2016 #52

We let them make all sorts of decisions. Igel Jun 2016 #60

Exactly GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #78

By that logic, everything said about Brock Turner on DU is grossly unfair. Coventina Jun 2016 #69

Not so much more after 20. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #77

Yes. They're a good way to adulthood, but Hortensis Jun 2016 #80

According to Dubya, anything you do before 40 is a "youthful indiscretion" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #127

natural selection tk2kewl Jun 2016 #29

Imagine a world without developmentally disabled people FrodosPet Jun 2016 #76

"I don't know if this was a normally capable person being arrogant and reckless..." cleanhippie Jun 2016 #183

Stupidity is the only universal capital crime. Sentence is carried out with no hope of appeal. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #32

Add yourself to the list Logical Jun 2016 #34

I'm still alive at 65. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #39

Well, that explains why death is funny to you. Wow, so many jerks on a dem site. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #43

In case that gets hidden Orrex Jun 2016 #45

I don't think death is funny. I've looked death in the eyes more than once. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #46

Like I said, I now know all about you I need to know. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #47

And right back at you. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #49

No, just a decent human being horse. Logical Jun 2016 #50

Have they confirmed the visitor was not visually impaired? jberryhill Jun 2016 #106

It is an awful thing, and I fear the victim may have suffered terribly still_one Jun 2016 #79

There is no question about that. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #177

Picture of boardwalks at link Person 2713 Jun 2016 #2

Those railings seem to be too low for good safety. kentauros Jun 2016 #6

It's a natural preserve, it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect people to be careful. Kentonio Jun 2016 #7

France is not here. kentauros Jun 2016 #9

If you put a barrier around everything.. Kentonio Jun 2016 #10

I guess you're not reading (or comprehending) what I wrote. kentauros Jun 2016 #11

I think there's a trade off between safety and enjoying the natural experience Red Mountain Jun 2016 #13

Yes, you're right about the picture not representing the story. kentauros Jun 2016 #20

The very existence of a barrier should illustrate that there is a danger to be avoided. Kentonio Jun 2016 #14

And it's no surprise to me that you're not the only poster to this thread kentauros Jun 2016 #21

So now you've decided without any evidence that the low barriers were the reason for him falling in? Kentonio Jun 2016 #54

Please, *re-read* my original comment. kentauros Jun 2016 #68

He walked off. Igel Jun 2016 #64

I want to buy this post a drink. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #81

225 Yards off the boardwalk flying rabbit Jun 2016 #172

This idiot left the boardwalk so doesn't matter how high the railings are, he didn't "topple over" snooper2 Jun 2016 #63

I'm arguing the point of the image at the link. kentauros Jun 2016 #67

Your "argument" isn't so much "moot" . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #88

No they are not. You are wrong. You are the only one that thinks this dbackjon Jun 2016 #96

Y'all are getting so worked up over this. kentauros Jun 2016 #98

Most of the Boardwalks have ZERO Railings dbackjon Jun 2016 #121

And there are no boardwalks in the backcountry where there are plenty more hot springs. HuckleB Jun 2016 #125

No - close the area off and KT2000 Jun 2016 #87

He stepped over the railing. Had ZERO to do with the railing height. This wasn't an accident dbackjon Jun 2016 #95

It appears the person intentionally climbed over the railings, they didn't fall. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #184

Walking Off RobinA Jun 2016 #41

I just got back from Ft Jefferson in the Dry Tortugas..one of my fav. parts was the no safety rails. EX500rider Jun 2016 #89

They look to be three feet tall with a top rail, toe board, and mid rail Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #18

And yet, OSHA requires one to be tied off kentauros Jun 2016 #23

OSHA really does not apply here Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #56

Not behind a rail GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #82

It's not a workplace. we can do it Jun 2016 #170

Does OSHA RobinA Jun 2016 #44

Correct rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #51

Beyond that, get off the main drag, and boardwalk-free thermal features abound hatrack Jun 2016 #55

No. Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #57

275 yards is a bit more than falling over a railing. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #33

FWIW, Yellowstone makes everyone well aware Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #92

Excellent points all. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #115

Dude fell into the spring 225 yards from the walkway. TransitJohn Jun 2016 #139

Neither is reading comprehension, it seems... kentauros Jun 2016 #142

That's a pretty rude comment. eom TransitJohn Jun 2016 #156

Yes it is. kentauros Jun 2016 #157

He actually makes a good point, Kent Scootaloo Jun 2016 #176

Yes, he makes a good point. kentauros Jun 2016 #180

How about no. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #152

Please *****READ***** what I have written here. kentauros Jun 2016 #154

Maybe you're not a very good writer, Ken. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #159

My comment was *only ever* on the image at the link. kentauros Jun 2016 #160

Actually, *THIS* is the place where he wandered off Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #166

Total non-sequiteur. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #185

I don't see any warning signs in that picture Orrex Jun 2016 #17

Having been to Yellowstone many times, trust me, there are warning signs liberal N proud Jun 2016 #27

I don't doubt that they're there in abundance Orrex Jun 2016 #28

In 1958, when I visited, the boardwalks didn't have rails. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #130

Many still don't so that wildlife can cross them liberal N proud Jun 2016 #134

There are warning signs everywhere. HuckleB Jun 2016 #109

here annabanana Jun 2016 #30

That's Not RobinA Jun 2016 #48

From your link .... thanx Botany Jun 2016 #58

Omg, how horrible! DesertRat Jun 2016 #3

A textbook example of Darwinism... TipTok Jun 2016 #4

And of assholes laughing about it. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #37

Yikes. Terrible. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #5

Natural selection. (no text) Quantess Jun 2016 #8

Why? Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #12

Because some DUers love to show the world kentauros Jun 2016 #25

I know... Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #73

I would strongly doubt that Mendocino Jun 2016 #164

Nothing in the article asserts that he ignored warning signs Orrex Jun 2016 #16

+1. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #35

The only way to not see them is to be blindfolded. You can't get on the trail without dbackjon Jun 2016 #97

But my point... Orrex Jun 2016 #99

Plus who deserves death for disobeying a sign? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #126

Thank you. Orrex Jun 2016 #128

Oh FFS. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #186

Outrage? Hardly. Orrex Jun 2016 #187

Darwin Award! Odin2005 Jun 2016 #36

Uncaring jerk award, someone died, glad you find it funny Logical Jun 2016 #38

While you get the sanctimonious jerk award? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #40

Ill gladly take it, i bet you are a class act, wish i knew the details. Lol. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #42

Sad, and not funny. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #101

Boiled long pork anyone? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2016 #53

How dare you! I'm VEEGAAANNN! GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #59

I suppose you'll have to stick to the side dishes... backscatter712 Jun 2016 #62

"Keep the glass & leave me the bottle. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #65

I went to Yellowstone as a 9 year old child and knew better than to leave the boardwalk. Coventina Jun 2016 #61

When I Was RobinA Jun 2016 #71

Sad Invincibility Jun 2016 #66

"A witness reported ... " - not much other info. MH1 Jun 2016 #70

People RobinA Jun 2016 #72

Ah, yes, but jberryhill Jun 2016 #107

Ramen. flying rabbit Jun 2016 #173

He was from Oregon. His sister witnessed the event. csziggy Jun 2016 #146

Dang, what a horrible way to go. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #74

It's been on the local news here sorefeet Jun 2016 #75

A sacrifice to the Caldera Gods. Now we are good for another 12,000 years ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #83

Jelly stone?? Really!! GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #84

BooBoo yes, yogi, no. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #85

Please tell me GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #86

Actually, the last time, I rode up to the park on horseback, ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #100

Green.with.envy GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #103

So an adult... linuxman Jun 2016 #90

Reminds me of the Yosemite waterfall deaths, sadly Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #91

Between the hot-springs deaths, the waterfall deaths, and being stupid around wild animals... backscatter712 Jun 2016 #94

+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #104

Be VERY cautious around any thermal spring. moriah Jun 2016 #93

Didn't someone die in a spring leftyladyfrommo Jun 2016 #112

I'm not sure on that, but here's a borderline spring that killed a bather: moriah Jun 2016 #132

I remember that happened in Yellowstone. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2016 #144

I was there 3 years ago. I saw one Chinese tourist walk right over to Old Faithful and take a doc03 Jun 2016 #102

I saw people walking right up to elk. NT leftyladyfrommo Jun 2016 #114

They think wild animals are like pets. The Chinese tourists I saw doc03 Jun 2016 #123

Was the victim literate in English? Perhaps they could not read the warning signs. LonePirate Jun 2016 #105

Has anyone considered that this might be a suicide? HuckleB Jun 2016 #108

I imagine people would look for less painful ways. nt NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #133

His sister said he slipped and fell pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #135

"Slipped and fell". And wound up over 200 yards from the boardwalk? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #138

Walked off the boardwalk 225 yards and then slipped and fell pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #140

Thanks for the update. HuckleB Jun 2016 #143

I'v lived almost my entire life near or on the roads to major tourist attractions Nac Mac Feegle Jun 2016 #111

Interesting, sobering, post. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #137

Not only that, but then the bear associates humans with food. Oneironaut Jun 2016 #189

Everyone should know the story of Bumpass Hell in Lassen NP. HuckleB Jun 2016 #118

Zero sympathy until it happens to you. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #120

And there is Truman Everts... HuckleB Jun 2016 #122

This is not unusual news. Was happening forty years ago ... kwassa Jun 2016 #124

If only those do-gooders were there that day instead of when they kidnapped the baby bison. Socal31 Jun 2016 #129

The crust in many thermal areas is thin and fragile. If you walk on it you can damage it forever. Shrike47 Jun 2016 #131

Followup: Rangers end search for man�s body in Yellowstone hot spring PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #136

So his body dissolved. dbackjon Jun 2016 #145

That or his body's submerged in boiling water. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #147

the water is highly acidic dbackjon Jun 2016 #148

That's a mean soup! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2016 #149

You've got that. Mendocino Jun 2016 #163

I was at Zion NP in late April 2010, Mendocino Jun 2016 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jun 2016 #151

Apparently his sister was with him, so perhaps we will find out a bit more. HuckleB Jun 2016 #153

Since the news reports indicate . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #155

Thank goodness he is dead and the earth is rid of him then jberryhill Jun 2016 #181

A number of years back, Mendocino Jun 2016 #161

hold my beer and watch this n/t librechik Jun 2016 #162

Stupid actions, but a horrible way to die. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #165

I was scared when I walked along that boardwalk Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #171

Im surprised they didnt shoot a Bison MFM008 Jun 2016 #178

In this one, stupidity comes with a painful punishment. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #188

Another Yellowstone incident Mendocino Jun 2016 #182

People don't think rules apply to them Ex Lurker Jun 2016 #190