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MH1

(19,109 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:29 AM Jun 2016

Would it be helpful to call radical, violent anti-homosexuality what it is, [View all]

rather than blaming a religion?

This is meant as an "honest question", meaning it's an idea that occurred to me but I'm not sure how valid it is. I'm hoping for a rational, civil discussion.

This is motivated by the discussion of last night's nightclub shooting, but of course we don't actually know the shooter's motivation yet. But a speculation on another thread that he might have had "radical Islamic ties" got me to thinking, does it really matter what religion is driving the hate and the belief that murder is an appropriate action? Doesn't it hinder the ability for the core adherents of the religion to progress away from these harmful root beliefs, if their religion is constantly being tied to it based on the actions of extremists? No one thought Timothy McVeigh represented Christianity. He wasn't described as a "radical Christian terrorist". He was described as being "radical anti-government" or something like that.

We know that Islam isn't the only religion that includes subgroups who interpret their holy texts as saying that homosexuality is "against God's law". We know that Islam isn't the only religion that includes subgroups who believe they have a right to impose their beliefs on other people, including by violence. Islam may be the one that's most in the news for Americans at this time. But doesn't it perpetuate a vicious cycle to continue to link being anti-gay with Islam?

What if we (and the media) dropped the reference to religion and just called out the hateful belief?

What do you all think?

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Religion is the foundation from which homophobia grows. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #1
Why? to break what I perceive as a vicious cycle MH1 Jun 2016 #5
What about the vicious cycle that leaves all of those dead bodies in Orlando? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
Notice I stated religion, not Islam. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #14
Thank you. I think we agree on that point, MH1 Jun 2016 #18
(McVeigh) "He wasn't described as a "radical Christian terrorist"" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #2
McVeigh and Roof are bad examples - neither's motivation was primarily religious. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #3
Why is Roof a "bad example" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #6
What has being in a Church got to do with it? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #8
You just torpedoed your own argument BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #11
Because he probably figured a church is softer target than a store. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #20
What? BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #21
I see a slight shift malaise Jun 2016 #9
Yes BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #12
No, I think it would be unhelpful to obfuscate the fact that this was religiously motivated. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #4
Why not "radical religious terrorist"? MH1 Jun 2016 #10
How do you integrate the fact that ten Islamic countries execute LGBT as a matter of course Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #7
Several points. MH1 Jun 2016 #16
Uganda has discussed but does not execute. They are nearly as bad anyway and that's your faith. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #23
Actually, I - DID - explain EXACTLY why I think the religion shouldn't be mentioned. MH1 Jun 2016 #27
McVeigh wasn't motivated by religion Matrosov Jun 2016 #15
Beliefs create motivation, plain and simple, and the source of such beliefs needs to be... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #17
I absolutely agree with your post. But - MH1 Jun 2016 #24
I don't know how I feel about your argument justiceischeap Jun 2016 #19
Thank you for the thoughtful response. MH1 Jun 2016 #22
Sorry, but no way to sugar coat it... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #25
Religion provides the justification. HassleCat Jun 2016 #26
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