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MH1

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16. Several points.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

1. Absolutely religion matters. I'm not a fan of any country basing its government on a religion. It seems to be a recipe for the most fundamentalist, nasty and unforgiving interpretation of the religious texts to be institutionalized in that country's laws. This pattern is not limited to Islam either. (Although at this point in time, I would agree that Islam may be the most broad reaching in this approach and therefore the most evil in terms of sheer numbers of people subject to these harmful ideologies.)
2. The topic is what language we use in the media to refer to violent, ideological actions that occur in the US. Sorry if my OP was not clear on that point.
3. What about Uganda?

I want to be clear, I am NOT a fan of Islam as it occurs in its more virulent forms. Neither am I a fan of Christianity in its more virulent forms, either. Yet I call myself a Christian, because there is a solid portion of the Christian world that does not adhere to the beliefs of its more vile adherents. How in the world the haters can act that way and call themselves "Christians", I have no idea. My point is that to marginalize the hateful beliefs, I think it might be helpful to stop tying the hateful belief to the religion, as if anyone who follows that religion must hold that belief. My point is simply about the adjectives we use to describe the terrorist or the terrorist action, not about the more in-depth discussion of the event.

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Religion is the foundation from which homophobia grows. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #1
Why? to break what I perceive as a vicious cycle MH1 Jun 2016 #5
What about the vicious cycle that leaves all of those dead bodies in Orlando? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
Notice I stated religion, not Islam. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #14
Thank you. I think we agree on that point, MH1 Jun 2016 #18
(McVeigh) "He wasn't described as a "radical Christian terrorist"" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #2
McVeigh and Roof are bad examples - neither's motivation was primarily religious. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #3
Why is Roof a "bad example" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #6
What has being in a Church got to do with it? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #8
You just torpedoed your own argument BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #11
Because he probably figured a church is softer target than a store. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #20
What? BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #21
I see a slight shift malaise Jun 2016 #9
Yes BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #12
No, I think it would be unhelpful to obfuscate the fact that this was religiously motivated. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #4
Why not "radical religious terrorist"? MH1 Jun 2016 #10
How do you integrate the fact that ten Islamic countries execute LGBT as a matter of course Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #7
Several points. MH1 Jun 2016 #16
Uganda has discussed but does not execute. They are nearly as bad anyway and that's your faith. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #23
Actually, I - DID - explain EXACTLY why I think the religion shouldn't be mentioned. MH1 Jun 2016 #27
McVeigh wasn't motivated by religion Matrosov Jun 2016 #15
Beliefs create motivation, plain and simple, and the source of such beliefs needs to be... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #17
I absolutely agree with your post. But - MH1 Jun 2016 #24
I don't know how I feel about your argument justiceischeap Jun 2016 #19
Thank you for the thoughtful response. MH1 Jun 2016 #22
Sorry, but no way to sugar coat it... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #25
Religion provides the justification. HassleCat Jun 2016 #26
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