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MH1

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24. I absolutely agree with your post. But -
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

the question I'm raising with my OP is whether there is a negative effect when headlines and news ledes link a harmful attitude to a specific religion. (Particularly when no such link has even been proven, as is the case with last night's event.)

My premise - albeit tentative - is that the use of a term like "radical Islamic terrorist" overgeneralizes the motivation to Islam, when really the motivation is the hatred of gays; and in doing so, reinforces the attachment of moderate Muslims to the idea that they must be anti-gay to be "good" or "true" Muslims; which is thus counterproductive to the secularist enlightenment many of us wish for. (I wonder if any social studies have been performed on this question?)

It may be that the hatred of gays was inculcated in the shooter by his religion. But is it really religion, or is it culture? When a woman in Pakistan has acid thrown in her face for some perceived misbehavior, many here will say it isn't due to the religion of Islam, but rather the "culture" she and the perpetrators are part of. I think the reason for that, is that many people see a clear geographical/demographic link to such incidents, which suggest that it is isolated to certain cultures rather than a practice common to all Muslims. If this is a valid argument, then if it can also be shown that being violently anti-gay is similarly not common to all Muslims, then why not consider it cultural as well? And then what would we call that "culture"? I am suggesting we call it what it is, "anti gay". (Or maybe a better term with the same meaning.)

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Religion is the foundation from which homophobia grows. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #1
Why? to break what I perceive as a vicious cycle MH1 Jun 2016 #5
What about the vicious cycle that leaves all of those dead bodies in Orlando? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
Notice I stated religion, not Islam. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #14
Thank you. I think we agree on that point, MH1 Jun 2016 #18
(McVeigh) "He wasn't described as a "radical Christian terrorist"" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #2
McVeigh and Roof are bad examples - neither's motivation was primarily religious. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #3
Why is Roof a "bad example" BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #6
What has being in a Church got to do with it? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #8
You just torpedoed your own argument BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #11
Because he probably figured a church is softer target than a store. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #20
What? BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #21
I see a slight shift malaise Jun 2016 #9
Yes BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #12
No, I think it would be unhelpful to obfuscate the fact that this was religiously motivated. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #4
Why not "radical religious terrorist"? MH1 Jun 2016 #10
How do you integrate the fact that ten Islamic countries execute LGBT as a matter of course Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #7
Several points. MH1 Jun 2016 #16
Uganda has discussed but does not execute. They are nearly as bad anyway and that's your faith. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #23
Actually, I - DID - explain EXACTLY why I think the religion shouldn't be mentioned. MH1 Jun 2016 #27
McVeigh wasn't motivated by religion Matrosov Jun 2016 #15
Beliefs create motivation, plain and simple, and the source of such beliefs needs to be... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #17
I absolutely agree with your post. But - MH1 Jun 2016 #24
I don't know how I feel about your argument justiceischeap Jun 2016 #19
Thank you for the thoughtful response. MH1 Jun 2016 #22
Sorry, but no way to sugar coat it... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #25
Religion provides the justification. HassleCat Jun 2016 #26
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