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MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
53. Hateful religious ideology...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

is so mainstream, privileged and widespread that it is rarely ever allowed to be challenged.

That's why the term "Islamophobia" is so offensive to me, akin to "Fascismphobia" or "Racismphobia", making victims of a bigoted belief system. Being afraid of a religion whose holy texts promote hate and bigotry against homosexuals (and a lot of other people) isn't irrational.

And for members of said religions who don't want to be associated with the hate and bigotry in their own holy books, it's all just a matter of privilege to pretend they can claim identity with these groups while not accepting responsibility for what their religion promotes.

yep. I don't know why it has to be only one or the other. To me, both seem to apply here. boston bean Jun 2016 #1
Hate, like people is complex.....no doubt he sought affirmation of his hate, and he found it. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #4
ALL "brands" of religion can say its OK to hate "others" ... I don't see any evidence he was a devou uponit7771 Jun 2016 #2
Yeah.....I don't see too many Buddhists or Pagans on this path, do you? msanthrope Jun 2016 #9
Yes, my experience ... 9 billion people on Earth ... you know that right? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #10
Seems like it's endemic to one specific Abramahic religion GummyBearz Jun 2016 #27
Just one religion ? octoberlib Jun 2016 #42
I haven't seen one shoot up a gay night club in a while GummyBearz Jun 2016 #49
They haven't shot anybody.... yet. octoberlib Jun 2016 #58
Words vs bullets GummyBearz Jun 2016 #64
Where did they kill? 840high Jun 2016 #79
Uh ever heard of the 969 Movement? ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #39
Not looking in the right places unc70 Jun 2016 #41
Not a lot of Buddhists, but check out Myanmar. MH1 Jun 2016 #51
I'm guessing the 911 call support g ISIS is dispositive. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #71
No its direct evidence and not speculative, sounds like this guy is an all around asshole uponit7771 Jun 2016 #72
Do we know he was a Muslim and not another religion? Do we know if he was religious? mucifer Jun 2016 #3
Right, I've seen no evidence that he was even Muslim or religions or devout... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #11
We have a good idea. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2016 #63
His ex-wife said that he was not religious. milestogo Jun 2016 #76
Others report he was not very religious . Angry snd history of violence yes Person 2713 Jun 2016 #82
Father says it has nothing to do with relogion... sad Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #5
Daddy raised a mass murderer so his opinion is suspect. randome Jun 2016 #8
Please don't get me wrong.... I don't agree, just linking it Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #16
Understood! randome Jun 2016 #17
Yeah.....I'm gonna go ask Brock Turner's dad about his son, too. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #12
Agree completely. randome Jun 2016 #6
We don't know that! auntpurl Jun 2016 #7
Amen, I've not seen any evidence saying this was religiously connected or that the shooter was... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #14
The selfies of him in garb? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #18
What "garb"!?!?! Muslim "garb"!? Isn't that stereotyping? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20
How many Muslims do you actually know? Garb is the term used to describe traditonal msanthrope Jun 2016 #23
12 and they don't wear "garb" either, street closes etc... Dylan Roof was a Christian and no one sai uponit7771 Jun 2016 #25
I'd point out, however, that Islam is more intertwined with culture than Christianity is. randome Jun 2016 #26
This is NOT my experience, Christianity is just as bad were terrorism has been accepted uponit7771 Jun 2016 #29
I don't have a problem with calling them both out, then. randome Jun 2016 #37
Dylann Roof was a devout Christian, I have a problem calling them out when there's no evidence that uponit7771 Jun 2016 #40
The argument could perhaps be made, however.... randome Jun 2016 #43
Parents from Afghanistan. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #34
His parents are from Afghanistan. Their citizenship has not been determined yet. msanthrope Jun 2016 #32
irrelevant to my point, no evidence that Islam had anything to do with the shooting just as no evide uponit7771 Jun 2016 #33
His selfies in garb, the FBI. Give it a few hours, more coming out. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #21
Yes, GIVE IT A FEW HOURS. auntpurl Jun 2016 #22
He has a selfie in a NYPD polo shirt, too ... kwassa Jun 2016 #74
Just an asshole. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #75
50 people in a gay bar were more than endangered. David__77 Jun 2016 #30
Dylann Roof was a devout Christian, no evidence there that Christianity had anything to do with uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36
I understand your perspective. David__77 Jun 2016 #44
No words JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #52
I understand your perspective. David__77 Jun 2016 #45
If a person can be a devout Christian... MellowDem Jun 2016 #47
None of the faiths PROMOTE hate, they're twisted by people who hate to legitimize hatred IMHE uponit7771 Jun 2016 #48
Of course they do... MellowDem Jun 2016 #55
It's not surprising, no. auntpurl Jun 2016 #38
OK, I agree, for politicians. David__77 Jun 2016 #46
What information? I'm open to calling it what it is but I don't seem Islam involved here... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #50
Not much. The FBI agent indicating he may have leaning toward Islamic extremism. David__77 Jun 2016 #59
I'm guessing the 911 call support g ISIS is dispositive. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #70
No shit! get the red out Jun 2016 #80
Nonsense, Ted Cruz's biggest endorsements came from a Christian that calls for gays to be executed. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #13
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15
Note.....I didn't state a religion. I think m the whole Abramahic scheme is fucked. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #19
For many years (not that long ago too) you could blame the media, doctors and politicians justiceischeap Jun 2016 #24
I agree ^^^^^^ Person 2713 Jun 2016 #60
It's important to discuss, expose, shame, and blame ideology which fuels such carnage PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #28
Makes one think, doesn't it: is hateful 'ideology' any different from 'hate radio'? randome Jun 2016 #31
It should all be blamed, shamed and discussed. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #35
Hateful religious ideology... MellowDem Jun 2016 #53
Very well-said! MindPilot Jun 2016 #57
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Would you like them to wear a gold star too? Quackers Jun 2016 #67
no doubt these were influencing factors still_one Jun 2016 #56
It's fundamentalism. Religious Fundamentalism is a mental disorder. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #61
I agree 150 pct. n/t roamer65 Jun 2016 #65
Plenty of other brands breed the same hate Person 2713 Jun 2016 #62
The OP mentions nor favors any 'brand' of religion. The OP just stated a fact you can not dispute. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #66
The title does. It favors "his brand" . It yes , mentions the word "brand". Person 2713 Jun 2016 #68
Point being that any brand that taught that to him owns it. No matter which brand. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #69
He hated Pursuit of Happyness Bengi Jun 2016 #73
Far-Right Christians in this country must feel awfully conflicted about this. 6000eliot Jun 2016 #77
think of the quandary for repukes Skittles Jun 2016 #83
More than ok... TipTok Jun 2016 #78
I think so too bravenak Jun 2016 #81
I believe he was pious. joshcryer Jun 2016 #84
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