"Conservatives" are traitors.

[Cary]

47. So that's your only justification here?

Look, I'm not saying this from any ideological perspective so you raise a false equivalence.

"Conservatives" actually value their ideology more than they value the nation or WE, THE PEOPLE. It brings me no joy to reach that conclusion. In fact, I wish you were correct but everything I have observed about these people, and it's a significant sample, suggests otherwise.

They do a lot of projection, by the way. I have seen them project every one of their considerable deficits on liberals so are you suggesting that we liberals should just give up?

I was just listening to a local radio show bemoaning the fact that "conservatives" have managed to demonize unions over the past 30 years, and it's true. And just look at the results. The top 1% have run off with 93% of the growth in GDP over the past 30 years. A call in was talking about how she had a non-union middle manager job at a low salary with no health benefits and 20 hours a week with uncompensated over time.

And you're saying what here? We should appease these "conservatives"?

If you want to convince you have to do better than "don't be like them". If I can demonize Ayn Rand the way they demonize unions, hell yes I'm going to do it. And so should you.