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TiberiusB

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153. Uh huh, right

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:41 PM

Jun 2012

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"If the "extreme" left demoralize the base as they did in 2010..."

As proven by....?

Hey, maybe it was the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress that demoralized the Left? No? Not possible? The whole Public Option debacle, the failure to pursue Bush and Cheney, the pre-election fold on tel-com immunity, folding on Guantanamo, abandoning New York terror suspect trials, a weak stimulus, no Wall Street prosecutions, caving on the Bush tax cuts, stuffing his cabinet and advisors with Wall Street cronyies, etc., etc. all had no effect? It had to be a hand full of naysayers on the Intertubes?

How is opposition to execution by executive decree a "Libertarian point of view"? More importantly, how is it wrong?

How is Glenn Greenwald writing about Obama's drone bombings doing more to damage Obama or U.S. security than the policy itself?

It's not the policy, it's the whistle-blower, I guess.

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Glenn Greenwald�s Mitt Romney Surrogacy [View all] SidDithers Jun 2012 OP

One thing about Greenwald RZM Jun 2012 #1

I was trying to see if Greenwald had anything to say about Wisconsin... SidDithers Jun 2012 #2

He's a big hit on RT, Putin's little lackey... joshcryer Jun 2012 #10

The anti-Obama left is like mana to RT RZM Jun 2012 #25

Seems some Progressives are going to "disillusion" themselves into a Romney presidency. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #134

ah, the High Lord Douchenozzle himself... glen, glen, glen... dionysus Jun 2012 #3

I laughed out loud at your title. TheWraith Jun 2012 #8

"High Lord Douchenozzle"??? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #13

now, don't pee the britches... i didn't coin that phrase, but it always made me laugh! dionysus Jun 2012 #44

Whether you coined it or not, it's too late. My pantaloons are saturated! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #56

Heheh.... SidDithers Jun 2012 #34

Got it in one! RFKHumphreyObama Jun 2012 #94

Greenwald = stupid +/or out for himself only flamingdem Jun 2012 #4

Okay, Sid. freshwest Jun 2012 #5

+1 AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #6

Right back at ya, AtomicKitten! freshwest Jun 2012 #7

Wait for it, the fan club will be arriving shortly. joshcryer Jun 2012 #9

Obama is better than Romney but that doesn't mean all criticism must be on hold for five months. Jim Lane Jun 2012 #11

No one's saying don't criticize President Obama RFKHumphreyObama Jun 2012 #95

Could you provide an example of misleading dubious dishonest fictional mistruth. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #96

You're being too charitable toward the linked article. Jim Lane Jun 2012 #133

Glad to support anybody who opposes that horse's ass. Chan790 Jun 2012 #12

+1. The most insufferably smug a-hole EVER! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #14

I believe he just can't get past approving of murder. caseymoz Jun 2012 #15

Wait ProSense Jun 2012 #16

It must say something other than what you think. caseymoz Jun 2012 #19

The irony is that Juan Cole made a statement supportive of the troops in Iraq... joshcryer Jun 2012 #86

I know nothing about what Juan Cole said or did. caseymoz Jun 2012 #98

I was one of the few people here who said Bush was going on old UN resolutions. joshcryer Jun 2012 #102

How about some evidence that Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #105

I was about to say . . . caseymoz Jun 2012 #143

I see the same nicknames. joshcryer Jun 2012 #146

That's enough to convince you. caseymoz Jun 2012 #166

Then I suppose you think I'm a liar. joshcryer Jun 2012 #168

How'd I miss that thread... SidDithers Jun 2012 #38

Thanks for that little reminder! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #57

+1 JoePhilly Jun 2012 #71

Well Hey... It's Damned Bi-Partisan Of Y'All To Encourage Low Information Voters On The Dem Side Too WillyT Jun 2012 #17

No ProSense Jun 2012 #18

What a bunch of worthless ad hominem. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #20

Oh bullshit! ProSense Jun 2012 #29

What information? TiberiusB Jun 2012 #62

Great post! Welcome to DU. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #64

Nailed it. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #73

Great post ProSense Jun 2012 #78

I never supported Bush pretty much on anything, but... TiberiusB Jun 2012 #154

I like your post, too. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #82

Poll numbers have little to do with vote suppression via demoralization from the "extreme" left. joshcryer Jun 2012 #87

What is your criticism of these mercenaries. I've been trying for months to find out (online) Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #92

Yeah, sounds like he's bemoaning that we're building prisons in Afghanistan as opposed to here. joshcryer Jun 2012 #99

His criticism is that the government is diverting funds from necessary domestic Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #115

Hahaha! Prison systems are now domestic services! joshcryer Jun 2012 #119

Again. It is a double point... 1) Our prison system is so horrendous that judges have to Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #120

Yes, that's fine. Drug legalization is perfectly Libertarian. joshcryer Jun 2012 #127

Decriminalization. Not legalization. Jeesh. You are proven wrong over and over again Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #131

A minor distinction. And no, sorry, he's bemoaning the lack of prison money here being spent... joshcryer Jun 2012 #132

Glenn Greenwald: The Incredible Courage Of Jim Webb's Prison Bill Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #135

Greenwald: We�ve created the world�s largest and one of its harshest and most merciless penal states Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #136

Neither of those links changes the fact that he is bemoaning that we spent money on prisons... joshcryer Jun 2012 #148

That's a lot of bold assertion...any chance you can back it up? TiberiusB Jun 2012 #150

Read what he wrote. His concern in that article is not the needless drug imprisonment. joshcryer Jun 2012 #160

For clarity's sake, here is exactly what Glenn Greenwald wrote... TiberiusB Jun 2012 #177

Well, in my "extreme left" locale in Seattle, we re-elected our progressive Democrat Jim McDermott suffragette Jun 2012 #123

Apparently, Obama must be coddled like an infant. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #126

The "extreme" left isn't actually involved in politics to a significant extent. joshcryer Jun 2012 #129

Trying to have it both ways again - the all-powerful left actively demoralize yet isn't involved suffragette Jun 2012 #144

GOTV is the least costly thing you can do. joshcryer Jun 2012 #145

We lefties in Seattle are the numbers that elect our Democratic US Senators and have kept them in suffragette Jun 2012 #151

You only prove my point. You did it despite the money flowing against you. joshcryer Jun 2012 #162

I think your post here just defined the word scattershot suffragette Jun 2012 #173

You started with the ad homs. I'm just glad you realize $$$ isn't needed for GOTV. joshcryer Jun 2012 #174

Actually, I stand by the points I made as I made them and not as you're attempting suffragette Jun 2012 #178

I thought it was generally accepted that it was moderates who failed to turn out Marr Jun 2012 #139

GOTV includes independents. joshcryer Jun 2012 #147

What do you mean? Marr Jun 2012 #149

If the left doesn't GOTV for independents or moderates and they sit home... joshcryer Jun 2012 #161

Wait a minute. Marr Jun 2012 #165

Obama didn't win WI with only votes from the left. joshcryer Jun 2012 #167

You're talking about Wisconsin here, not Michigan. Marr Jun 2012 #169

Oops, my bad. I dispute that. GOTV is not expensive. joshcryer Jun 2012 #170

Yes, GOTV is basically free, and it was done hard. Marr Jun 2012 #172

Yes, Walker's ability to spend made it difficult. joshcryer Jun 2012 #175

Uh huh, right TiberiusB Jun 2012 #153

Very well said. Marr Jun 2012 #138

This: Hissyspit Jun 2012 #176

But See... You Kind Of Make My Point... I'm Supposed To Believe The Queen Of The Blue-Links... WillyT Jun 2012 #21

What color are links when you post links? DemocratsForProgress Jun 2012 #26

prosense is a big girl. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #27

If you say so. I wouldn't know. DemocratsForProgress Jun 2012 #28

the problem with the links is the fact they are never labelled despite people requesting that she do dsc Jun 2012 #33

Nonsense ProSense Jun 2012 #35

You have gotten better lately dsc Jun 2012 #55

That's not true Son of Gob Jun 2012 #66

The real problem is that Prosense links very often are irrelevant, nonresponsive, or misleading. woo me with science Jun 2012 #179

WTF ? ProSense Jun 2012 #30

Maybe because he didn't do that TiberiusB Jun 2012 #63

What nonsense ProSense Jun 2012 #80

Where did you get 2005? TiberiusB Jun 2012 #155

You forgot Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #45

Since ProSense Jun 2012 #47

Actually, the poster made a very relevant point. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #74

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #79

I understood perfectly well what GGM is saying. She was clear and on point. Electric Monk Jun 2012 #164

I guess you should own up to whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #22

Interesting... Isn't It ??? WillyT Jun 2012 #23

By design, imo. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #24

How lame ProSense Jun 2012 #31

You're voting for Obama?... SidDithers Jun 2012 #32

Who are you voting for? Octafish Jun 2012 #41

... SidDithers Jun 2012 #42

He's Canadian as Dudley DoRight. sudopod Jun 2012 #59

... SidDithers Jun 2012 #65

You have to admit.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #75

I've always been surprised this cat has been allowed to disrupt this board Change has come Jun 2012 #83

You do know there are many DU'ers abroad don't you? I guess "disruption" is subjective. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #91

Glenn Greenwald is an American citizen. But you know that but persist in pretending Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #106

"I'll take the constitutional scholar's interpretation over that of a Brazilian asswipe any day." Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #182

Indeed n/t Oilwellian Jun 2012 #39

bingo Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #46

Greenwald is unwittingly another one of Rove's "useful idiots" scheming daemons Jun 2012 #36

Being a contributor to The American Conservative... Chan790 Jun 2012 #58

Well said...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #67

Chan790, you have nailed it! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #68

Oh my Gosh! And the same articles are also published on Common Dreams, Al Jazeera, & (gasp) Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #72

Greenwald is a Libertarian from what I can tell. joshcryer Jun 2012 #85

Bill Clinton and Corey Booker didn't get your memo ibegurpard Jun 2012 #37

Interesting how Greenwald's message hasn't changed since _ed_ Jun 2012 #40

Greenwald thinks Ds and Rs are the same... SidDithers Jun 2012 #43

I used to think of Greenwald as a Iraq War supporter, then his critic/promoters here made him Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #49

Was the thread on-topic for GD?... SidDithers Jun 2012 #50

It was anti gay propaganda of the worst kind, you claim that is on topic, I do not agree and did Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #183

And all your complaints about that post fall under the responsibility of the DU juries... SidDithers Jun 2012 #186

If you would have taken the time to read what Greenwald wrote since January 2009 Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #51

It does not matter what he wrote. I am discussing the tactics used against him which are often Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #184

And 4-5 years prior to that, he criticized Bush's war and surveillance policies. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #187

I guess civil liberties are only a wedge issue _ed_ Jun 2012 #60

I see. So you judge policy, not on its merits, but on whether Marr Jun 2012 #140

Greenwald is an anti-union asshole. Robb Jun 2012 #69

I've read him for years, _ed_ Jun 2012 #137

Thanks Sid! Scurrilous Jun 2012 #48

As someone who has actually been called out by Greenwald in writing, MineralMan Jun 2012 #52

perhap's he'll see me call him a douchebag on DU and throw a fit. dionysus Jun 2012 #81

Hahaha hahahaha!!!! That was a good one!! Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #130

Tsk. Tsk. How dare Greenwald hold a public servant accountable!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #53

It is a shame, Democrats are supposed to stand for the GOP of 1981. Octafish Jun 2012 #54

+1 whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #61

You win the thread, imho. Electric Monk Jun 2012 #90

There's a shocking lack of tolerance for differing opinions Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #84

Wait. Accountable for doing what they said they'd do? joshcryer Jun 2012 #88

Yes. Just like we held Dubya accountable for doing what he said he'd do. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #93

You voted for Bush? joshcryer Jun 2012 #100

No. Did you? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #109

Nope. And I held him accountable for his illegal wars. joshcryer Jun 2012 #111

So, the boss is to be held accountable only by those who didn't vote for him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #113

Indeed. If a person is not happy with Obama doing what he said he would do... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #97

Or admit to their hypocrasy anyhow. joshcryer Jun 2012 #101

So let me get this straight. I voted for Obama even though I understood that Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #103

You call that accountablity? Because that's not what accountablity is. joshcryer Jun 2012 #104

Accountability is also considering someone answerable for their current actions. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #107

Obama is doing nothing illegal and doing precisely what he said. joshcryer Jun 2012 #108

So did LBJ and Nixon. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #110

Nixon acted illegally and was held accountable. joshcryer Jun 2012 #112

So, legality is the only measure to holding the boss accountable? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #114

How else do you hold a President accountable? joshcryer Jun 2012 #117

Not quite accurate TiberiusB Jun 2012 #156

I do believe that the civilian death toll from both NATO strikes in Afghanistan and Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #116

So you believe President Obama should be held accountable for war crimes. joshcryer Jun 2012 #118

Your assertions are debatable. Thus the debate. So love how you use Bush's term unlawful combatants Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #121

actually that's not Bush's term, it's been around for a century used in legal literature, case law SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #122

You are refreshingly selective. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #124

You're welcome :) SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #128

That's not Bush's term, but I do like how you box me in with Bush. joshcryer Jun 2012 #125

Wait, what? TiberiusB Jun 2012 #158

No, what makes you think that? joshcryer Jun 2012 #163

My problem is with the expansion of the pool of "unlawful combatants" TiberiusB Jun 2012 #180

"sovereignty violation" is a tricky one. joshcryer Jun 2012 #181

It's odd, isn't it? Either way, the prescription is "shut-up and clap harder". Marr Jun 2012 #141

Greenwald has always come across as a scorned, vindictive Libertarian. great white snark Jun 2012 #70

Precisely. And he serves the right Libertarian's well. joshcryer Jun 2012 #89

K & R. n/t FSogol Jun 2012 #76

GG is right, and so is the blogger Doctor_J Jun 2012 #77

Greenwald's criticisms of Obama Vattel Jun 2012 #142

Greenwald for President!! Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #157

I think we can assume that anyone who begins their reply with 'Glenn Greenwald is...' Marr Jun 2012 #152

Lets step back for a second Dan3000 Jun 2012 #159

Sadredearth.com? LOL!....nt. morningfog Jun 2012 #171

Keep trying...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #185