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passiveporcupine

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48. Across states, more guns = more suicide
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jun 2016
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and suicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, across the United States, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/

It's silly trying to compare this to other tragedies. We need to look at statistics to understand why there are so many gun deaths, and then try to reduce those numbers.

We already do something to try to reduce drunk drivers and distracted drivers. Laws that prohibit driving drunk without penalty, and also driving while distracted on cell phones, etc.

Where are the laws to prohibit suicide by gun, or any other kind of gun deaths? Sure, it's illegal to commit suicide. Do we put those bodies in jail?

Once you have a gun, a law isn't going to stop you, if you intend to use it to kill someone, even yourself.

the only way to prevent deaths by guns is to pass some common sense laws that keep some kinds of guns out of the hands of all people, and to keep all guns out of the hands of mentally ill people, or people determined to be a threat to other humans (like this guy who beat his ex-wife regularly until her father rescued her).

We need to eliminate the most deadly kinds of guns that are most often used in mass shootings. That won't end all deaths in mass shootings, but it might reduce the numbers of people killed, and in doing that, we make it look much less glamorous to those socially disturbed people who idolize previous mass shooters/killers. Like this guy did the Boston Bombers.
90,000 since Sandyhook?? [View all] yuiyoshida Jun 2016 OP
The Culture of Death is loved by way too many gun humpers. Rex Jun 2016 #1
Yes but look... yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #3
Get ready for all kinds of excuses...3...2...1 Rex Jun 2016 #6
Didn't take them long Rex yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #8
Nope and notice they are trying to rationalize gun culture by saying those that killed themselves Rex Jun 2016 #10
67% of those deaths you cite are suicide. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #2
Wrong King Kang yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #5
No, you are wrong oberliner Jun 2016 #14
okay fine...STILL A BIG FUCKING STADIUM yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #20
Yes, it's a lot of people and a depressing statistic oberliner Jun 2016 #22
90,000 dead... yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #24
For people that pulled the trigger and ended a life? Yep, she is using accurate numbers. Rex Jun 2016 #55
2/3 are suicides Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #4
90,000 is just a drop in the bucket for you yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #7
It is very sad Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #16
you are going to compare this to drunk drivers?? yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #17
So those victims are not just as dead? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21
And how many of them are suicides? yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #23
I don't drive an AR 15 to work each day. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #31
I am more scared of your car Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33
51 dead today - so far? yallerdawg Jun 2016 #37
I have empathy Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #39
You do understand... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #42
I do not need a license or background check to own a vehicle. Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #45
We can't talk about deaths from gun violence unless all deaths from all other causes are stamped out Major Nikon Jun 2016 #44
Oh we can talk about them Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #46
Who even brought them up? Major Nikon Jun 2016 #57
What do you suggest we do? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #49
I am waiting for self driving cars myself. Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #50
So you never ride in a vehicle, or drive one? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #54
Oh I drive Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #59
No response to the second question passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #53
Ever considered that the suicide rate might be lower without guns? Zynx Jun 2016 #19
People who try to commit suicide with poison or cutting there wrists etc, usually back out. LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #27
I just had a good friend hang himself last week Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #36
I'm sorry for your loss. Suicides happen by other means, yes, but guns do make it easier. Zynx Jun 2016 #40
Thank you Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #47
So all hunters with depression should have our guns taken away? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #61
Across states, more guns = more suicide passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #48
210,000 injured by guns since then. Rex Jun 2016 #9
That's one huge stadium of dead bodies. yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #11
That is several wars combined! Rex Jun 2016 #13
Interesting but the number seems kind of high to me. craigmatic Jun 2016 #12
It is all gun deaths oberliner Jun 2016 #15
90k yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #18
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #28
To say nothing of the injured. alarimer Jun 2016 #25
And yet we can track the average attendance for the SUPERBOWL! yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #26
We can track gun violence, too. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #32
I am sure some individual can yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #35
GUN HUMPERS ARE THE BIGGEST COWARDS ON THE PLANET Skittles Jun 2016 #29
Agreed, the NRA is a terrorist organization. Initech Jun 2016 #41
I did a calculation in an argument with someone ... that's 4.5 hrs of world oil consumption ... brett_jv Jun 2016 #30
Not to mention the fact that Stonepounder Jun 2016 #34
but, but, but but...up thread someone said.. yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #38
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #56
Just to mention a few. Stonepounder Jun 2016 #58
KnR Hekate Jun 2016 #43
Something must be done there is no other option. Wayburn Jun 2016 #51
I'm not going to insult those who own guns or anything retrowire Jun 2016 #52
Exactly. AirmensMom Jun 2016 #62
And people wonder if I'm afraid to go to Mexico... a la izquierda Jun 2016 #63
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