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aikoaiko

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90. I hope Bernie would "evolve" on the futility of AWBs if he were elected.

Reply to YouDig (Reply #88)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:30 PM

Jun 2016

I would be happy to explain to him that they don't do what he thinks they do (automatic fire).

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AR-15s and other assault rifles should be illegal. Obviously. [View all] YouDig Jun 2016 OP

while we are sad and mourning some gun owners are enjoying all this - I have two of this crowd in msongs Jun 2016 #1

A lot of this down thread too. hunter Jun 2016 #127

No. beevul Jun 2016 #2

Yes. YouDig Jun 2016 #8

What about the AR-15 is "way over the line" compared to any other gun... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #28

Other than Eko Jun 2016 #32

What is it about "made for the military" that makes it "over the top" compared to any other PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #40

I dont know. Eko Jun 2016 #46

No difference what so ever. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #101

So a springfield M1A 7.62 garand Eko Jun 2016 #103

M1A or Garand? Straw Man Jun 2016 #109

Why would you think that? ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #112

Almost all new firearms designs were made for the military aikoaiko Jun 2016 #123

I don't know specifically where the line is. YouDig Jun 2016 #34

Well that's the issue then. If you want to ban all semi-automatic guns with detachable magazines... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #75

That's an issue, sure. And, yeah, I'm in favor of much more extensive gun control YouDig Jun 2016 #81

Pretty sure the reason mass shooters keep using it is that it's the most popular rifle in America. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #92

It's no different functionally from any other semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine. Adrahil Jun 2016 #93

Actually lancer78 Jun 2016 #105

Its amazing how many people Eko Jun 2016 #13

And it is not the same AR-15 Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #16

Yes there have been changes. Eko Jun 2016 #19

The big one is Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21

The original AR15 Eko Jun 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Eko Jun 2016 #25

Not being able to fire fully automatic is a big difference. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #22

Nope Eko Jun 2016 #27

Yes it was. Please read that article carefully. Note the following line... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #36

Somehow you missed this part. Eko Jun 2016 #38

Yes, that was the fully-automatic machine gun version. Armalite sold the design to Colt and... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #51

No, the ar15 was not fully automatic. Eko Jun 2016 #57

Where does it state it was semi-automatic? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #59

You would be incorrect sir Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #62

You know what? Eko Jun 2016 #66

We all are wrong at times Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #68

I did say "might" Eko Jun 2016 #74

It's ok. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #76

"Select fire" = full or semi, in this case by a lever...safe semi full. jmg257 Jun 2016 #67

"Select fire" is the key. Igel Jun 2016 #77

I agree. Eko Jun 2016 #80

Confusion is what happens when you reuse model numbers. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #86

yeah if it was full auto that guy could have cut down 70 people instead of 50 Takket Jun 2016 #42

That's not the issue. The issue is that if you just ban AR-15s and their variants because you think PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #72

There actually is something Eko Jun 2016 #85

There's some truth to that. People that want to "play soldier" want the closest thing they can get PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #91

Probably. Eko Jun 2016 #95

Just my opinion, but Quackers Jun 2016 #108

Inventor of AR-15 Interviewed on HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel G_j Jun 2016 #124

What do you do about the 10 million plus of them already in civilian hands? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #3

One option is a buyback like in Australia. YouDig Jun 2016 #12

A mandatory buyback is confiscation Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #17

I don't care what word you use. I care about stopping people from being killed. YouDig Jun 2016 #29

You would do much better Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33

Yeah handguns are bad too. The UK banned them, and there's barely any shootings there at all. YouDig Jun 2016 #37

True. The attacks are mostly stabbings there. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #102

aaaaaaaaaand there it is. linuxman Jun 2016 #94

At $1000 per rifle, you're talking about over $10B Calista241 Jun 2016 #23

OK. $10B to save 500 lives a year. Over 10 years that's 5000 lives saved at a cost of YouDig Jun 2016 #30

That's just the cost of the buyback itself. Calista241 Jun 2016 #55

Now you're just making up numbers. Bottom line, the whole rest of the world YouDig Jun 2016 #60

The rest of the world never had a fraction of the guns we do. linuxman Jun 2016 #96

it's not only the US stock of guns Angel Martin Jun 2016 #111

Not 500 lives. Straw Man Jun 2016 #110

How much would they be worth with a ban? Figure kthe value would go jmg257 Jun 2016 #70

at $1000 per rifle, you will get very few turned in Amishman Jun 2016 #114

Those people have proven they're too paranoid... scscholar Jun 2016 #18

With sound logic like that, you'll get legislation in no time! linuxman Jun 2016 #97

When one is digging oneself into a hole, the first instinct should be to stop digging Major Nikon Jun 2016 #120

No, it's not obvious. Actually it's a stupid idea Recursion Jun 2016 #4

Obviously, I'm not saying ban a specific brand name. I said in the OP YouDig Jun 2016 #11

"The whole class" is semi-automatics with detachable magazines, or about 90% of guns sold today Recursion Jun 2016 #14

OK, that sounds good to me. YouDig Jun 2016 #26

No, the majority of mass shootings are with handguns Recursion Jun 2016 #35

A Glock with a 30 round clip is still a hand gun is it not? think Jun 2016 #39

Exactly. And in a lot of ways they're worse Recursion Jun 2016 #41

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1993 included a ban on magazines capable of holding more than ten think Jun 2016 #48

Sort of. It banned their import and manufacture. Which is a good thing Recursion Jun 2016 #52

I remember. There were obvious ways to modify those weapons from what I recall.... think Jun 2016 #54

The unintended consequence of the "Assault Weapon Ban" is it made those type of guns really popular. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #79

We passed two important gun control laws in the 1990s: Brady and the AWB Recursion Jun 2016 #87

Handguns are very dangerous too. The UK banned them, and they have hardly any shootings. YouDig Jun 2016 #47

No, it hasn't Recursion Jun 2016 #49

Mexico? Come on. They are ravaged with drug wars. The government barely has control. YouDig Jun 2016 #58

Why wouldn't I compare us to Russia? Recursion Jun 2016 #65

I have fired them many times. Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #20

Semantics Dem2 Jun 2016 #53

No, we should never put ergonomic Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #56

So you're defending making mass-murder easier Dem2 Jun 2016 #69

I am for making firearms safer for the 99% Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #71

The AR-10 is an excellent hunting platform... Marengo Jun 2016 #115

Off-topic and strawman Dem2 Jun 2016 #116

Interesting, semantics become a strawman when you've been proven incorrect. Marengo Jun 2016 #117

Nice try Dem2 Jun 2016 #118

Um, no, you didn't as the AR-10 is a member of the AR family and to use your word, Marengo Jun 2016 #119

OK Dem2 Jun 2016 #121

You may wish to reconsider your argument against "semantics"... Marengo Jun 2016 #122

ARs may be popular with mass-casualty shooters, in part, because ARs are popular with everyone. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #125

Surely the versions best suited to "man-slaughter" should be looked at Dem2 Jun 2016 #126

Its not designed to kill people. Elmergantry Jun 2016 #5

lol Dem2 Jun 2016 #44

If we're going to get really macabre, the M-16 (on which the AR-15 is based) was designed to wound Recursion Jun 2016 #89

It's a 22 caliber which is just too high power for civilians to own scscholar Jun 2016 #6

LOL! NT Elmergantry Jun 2016 #7

. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #10

lol Dem2 Jun 2016 #45

This is a joke, right? linuxman Jun 2016 #98

Well GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #106

Quite the opposite HassleCat Jun 2016 #9

What if you buy a counter assault rifle? ileus Jun 2016 #15

The Bloody Hands Club will never abide. Darb Jun 2016 #31

their fear and paranoia trumps all Skittles Jun 2016 #61

Agreed. Darb Jun 2016 #64

Such high levels of discourse. linuxman Jun 2016 #99

I agree Dem2 Jun 2016 #43

even on DU you get nothing but apologists Takket Jun 2016 #50

gun humpers have won Skittles Jun 2016 #63

Or shot dead SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #73

I'm sure I would be considered a "gun humper". Kang Colby Jun 2016 #82

Why are you a member of the NRA? Cursive Jun 2016 #107

Back when I did competitive target shooting I was Recursion Jun 2016 #113

one of the reasons elected Democrats have such credibility problems Angel Martin Jun 2016 #78

ARs and other semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines aren't going anywhere. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #83

You are a Bernie Sanders supporter right? YouDig Jun 2016 #88

I hope Bernie would "evolve" on the futility of AWBs if he were elected. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #90

The second amendment was not written for self defense. kpola12 Jun 2016 #84

Making AR-15s illegal wouldn't change a thing Albertoo Jun 2016 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jun 2016 #104

You got to slow roll it. ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #129