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freshwest

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33. Years of psychological manipulation is almost impossible to overcome. I was startled years ago by...
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jun 2012

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One of the series of tests that my soon to be large corporate employer asked. I felt there were a definite statements made about what we call class warfare.

I missed two questions. I passed the test and all the other days of testing required. But I never forgot how wrong I thought the 'correct' answers for two were.

The first one I missed was a question very close to your OP. It was entitled, 'Who is dressed for work?'

There were images of five men dressed differently. One was a man in carpenter overalls with a hammer to one side, one dressed as a cook with an apron, another like a farmer with a shovel, another one looked like a sailor. The last was a man dressed in a business suit and tie.

My answer was the man in the overalls. As I was applying for blue collar job and was thinking of that. The 'correct' answer according to the corporate psychologist, was the man in the business suit.

I saw bias there. My father had in his life dressed for all those things, but as he got older he wore a suit as he owned his own business. It could be argued that the first three could have been at home and that the fourth was in the service. Only the suit had no other purpose to be worn, except at the office or maybe a pulpit.

So the carpenter and all the others were not considered be to going to work in the real world of serious people. Perhaps it is the attitude of the managers that those beneath them, doing that kind of work that we do with our bodies and sweat, is like a child playing in the dirt, that we are childish and we allow them to treat us that way, and we think they are being the adults.

That type of thinking was reflected in one manager who referred to us when doing our jobs as nothing but 'assholes and elbows.' In other words, the fact that we were not only doing physical work but technical work, that many of us had college, our work wasn't that valuable to him. We had a union and we told him where to put that attitude.

Later, the company used psychology to break our sense of camaraderie in the physical sense. We originally all met early in the morning in a common room before getting our work assignments from the different crew bosses in their shared room with the clerks. We discussed our lives together and felt ourselves to be a separate group from management, arranged for our next union meeting, discussed greviances and bidding on jobs.

The company then remodeled the place to separate us into teams, where we were with just our crew and our boss, to change our focus in the physical sense. This kind of change in physical environment has a bigger impact than many of us want to admit. You go from being free range to being confined...

The common area was totally eliminated, which is what the corporatists are doing to us right now by destroying public education, taking away all those places where people of many levels and social grouping can find a bond. They will funnel us into ever smaller groups to control, if we let them.

A sense of competition was encouraged as each work group had specialties. Individuals were then reflected by the personality of the different bosses, taking on those identities and attitudes. It was easy to get people to divide into teams, like sports franchises.

When the company came around and wanted to give the heavier and dirtier part of our work to unskilled contractors, mostly to immigrants, the guys saw that as a move up the social ladder. I was the steward and argued in our meeting that we would lose work, that eventually the higher skill jobs would go with it. But the guys went along with a few of those ego boosts and I was stuck arguing the other side.

The third line manager and I exchanged knowing looks at each other. He knew I recognized the technique, but the guys were thrilled getting that little pat on the head. We used to have a joke about the pat on the head for being a good boy, but when the big boss did it, they didn't see it.

Eventually, all their jobs were contracted out as I predicted. It was so very easy, to stroke those egos and get people to go with what was against their principles or even their best interests in the long run.

The egos of those who we see who are voting for the GOP are being stroked by the politics of division, better than gays, blacks, liberals, single mothers, sick, less educated, sinners, immigrants, etc.

It works so well because we accept that.

Okay, back to the test. The next question I had trouble with was more troubling when I realized what it assumed would be the reaction of a free people with self respect. It was pretty direct and I thought a shocking question with some situations described. It asked How do people react to having their rights denied?, and what it said as background reminded me of the struggles in Latin America and other places.

I thought the answer was obvious, being schooled in the American Revolution, the civil rights and labor rights movements. So I picked the answer that after being abused, They will resist and fight back.

The 'correct' answer was, They will be discouraged, give in and accept it.

Images and symbols are more powerful than words and reasoning in this world. Just as word document, a picture and a moving picture with sound take up differing amounts of space on our computer hard drive, so they do the same in the brain. The right has used all the Hollywood techniques to persuade, but laws and governance are not so easily explained, requiring examination of boring details and philosophical points. This is one of the problems progressives face with our piles of facts and charts that are not as tantalizing and easily absorbed as a meme.

Most who have seen and heard the doctrines of the right, keep these memes a level that has great staying power. You cannot reason with the subconscious, it is reactive. What is programmed there, is the master filter for the conscious mind. People are much like dogs, they run with the pack and accept the pecking order to survive when they don't have the luxury of time to think these things out.

As far as the religion angle, it was once taught in churches that the laborer must be paid quickly and fairly for the man employing them to be found right with God as it was said He hears the cries and prayers of the poor and will punish their oppressors. The right does not regard those verses seriously.

Also that a man's work is all that he has in life, to work and eat and rest is his lot in life, and it is a good life to live. It is good to have done with one's work for the day and then wake up to a new day refreshed and feeling healthy after using one's body well. And to care for each other is commanded, as well as paying one's taxes. Not with in the right's Bible.

We have decades of prosperity doctrine, a form of Calvinism closer to Ayn Rand than anything else. I recently stumbled onto some words by Derrick Jensen I saved some time back, about how hard the world will be, for good or ill, that I've been thinking on:

When we realize the degree of agency we actually do have, we no longer have to "hope" at all. We simply do the work...

Casey Maddox wrote that 'when philosophy dies, action begins.'

I would say in addition that when we stop hoping for external assistance, when we stop hoping that the awful situation we're in will somehow resolve itself, when we stop hoping the situation will somehow not get worse, then we are finally free — truly free — to honestly start working to thoroughly resolve it.

I would say when hope dies, action begins.


~Derrick Jensen, in Endgame Volume I: The Problem of Civilization, p.330.

Don't mean to be depressing, as he is, but we need to explore both the best and the worst and keep at it, is what I'm trying to say here, as we learn the problem.

Sorry to have been so long in my reply Rozlee, but that was what your post made me think. I understand your deep frustration, and tried to offer reasons and a solution. I'm not sure how to do it.

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Religion, that's how. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #1
Yes! Consider someone making a career choice: Compare tax exemption, auto-deference, social patrice Jun 2012 #5
that handmade34 Jun 2012 #12
Inheriting all that money is really hard work. nt nanabugg Jun 2012 #76
It's not their money.... chaska Jun 2012 #2
There are things you should not be allowed to profit off of. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #4
Do you actually mean that restaurants, bakeries, clothing manufacturers, builders and.. Walk away Jun 2012 #6
might I add handmade34 Jun 2012 #11
To be alive is to be exploitive FrodosPet Jun 2012 #128
the discussion is wealth handmade34 Jun 2012 #138
Then why would anyone do those things? dkf Jun 2012 #14
Only 13.5% of food workers make a livable wage thelordofhell Jun 2012 #17
YES. Shut down the clothing retail business, Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #18
Let me know before you pass that law 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #22
I believe I know what you mean. Some of those responding to you rhett o rick Jun 2012 #29
Precisely what I was getting at. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #32
Dont be too hard on them. They are just having some fun at your expense rhett o rick Jun 2012 #36
They have to reach for the most ridiculous or extreme examples, otherwise the paucity of their Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #40
I do not follow MightyOkie Jun 2012 #37
Where, oh where does anyone here say a doctor shouldnt get paid? That's called a rhett o rick Jun 2012 #45
There is a different between making a living and PROFITING off of something. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #65
+1 bahrbearian Jun 2012 #54
Especially when profits are valued over people... drokhole Jun 2012 #66
Everything comes from the sun or star stuff Sirveri Jun 2012 #112
Behind every great fortune is a great crime. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #116
I work damn hard too...or rather did... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #3
What does deserving to keep your money mean? Not paying taxes? dkf Jun 2012 #15
Of course not. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #34
It's harder to get people to understand, but I think a more compelling arguement is about patrice Jun 2012 #7
i.e. Money = It's artificial. They made it all up and now they are killing everyone with/for it. patrice Jun 2012 #8
Distinguish between wealth, illth, and money Dragonfli Jun 2012 #21
+100000 for Wilson reference! drokhole Jun 2012 #69
Your welcome!, I only wish I had not lost the original text to a flood Dragonfli Jun 2012 #77
"energy transferred"! I like this very much! nt patrice Jun 2012 #70
+1. Alan Watts on Money... drokhole Jun 2012 #67
AW was my first husband's guru. He was a motor-cycle gypsy who worked for big corporations patrice Jun 2012 #72
Alan Watts was my first "teacher" when my self education turned towards the east. I posted Dragonfli Jun 2012 #74
Over-generalization inaccurately describes reality slackmaster Jun 2012 #9
"I know wealthy people who really did work hard" Mairead Jun 2012 #93
good point ThomThom Jun 2012 #143
I swear America is experiencing Stockholm syndrome with our countries' rich. Initech Jun 2012 #10
+1000! SunSeeker Jun 2012 #50
I honestly don't know how a working person can say that. Marr Jun 2012 #13
Money = savings. dkf Jun 2012 #16
I don't follow you. Marr Jun 2012 #20
That is because it has little relation to reality. nt SunSeeker Jun 2012 #51
I think the rest of us have to start playing by THEIR rules, even though they keep telling us NOT to Volaris Jun 2012 #26
volaris!!! just righteous...just righteous liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #59
The other thing that crossed my mind this afternoon Volaris Jun 2012 #75
you deserve a hug handmade34 Jun 2012 #19
I have no grief with someone who through hard work, intelligence, skill, creativity, etc 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #23
I do... handmade34 Jun 2012 #46
So Bill Gates didn't contribute anything of value to society? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #61
I didn't say that handmade34 Jun 2012 #92
The vast majority of innovation is done by a tiny handful of individuals 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #100
Actually, almost all of what Bill contributed WAS done by others, that is the funny part of Dragonfli Jun 2012 #111
Yes, he had an uncanny ability to aquire ownership of and profit off of the innovations of others. Dragonfli Jun 2012 #110
Then pick any innovator of your choosing 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #117
Tell her to send her SSI to Mittens to offset those taxes he pays n2doc Jun 2012 #24
It's hate. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #25
The rich own the government,military,mass media,... Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #27
I have no problem with people keeping the money they earn. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #28
I just don't get you. Herlong Jun 2012 #30
Because voters like her hurt us. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #52
How many relatives do have? Herlong Jun 2012 #53
There's no such thing as a wealthy person that has earned it. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #31
Not one? hack89 Jun 2012 #41
i think your missing the point liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #60
Kudos Herlong Jun 2012 #62
"Pays them well", How much are they making per hour and what benefits do they get? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #68
Well above minimum with good health care. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #71
How much do they make per hour? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #73
Depends on seniority. hack89 Jun 2012 #78
"Very good paying"? What is the hourly wage? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #79
Between 12 and 18. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #80
We have two very different opinions regarding the definitions of "very good paying" Taitertots Jun 2012 #81
Starting at $26,000 with health care hack89 Jun 2012 #82
It is well below living wage for anyone with a family to support Taitertots Jun 2012 #84
He is such an ogre hack89 Jun 2012 #90
You persist in misunderstanding Mairead Jun 2012 #94
+1000 handmade34 Jun 2012 #114
So what exactly is their labor is worth? hack89 Jun 2012 #123
You're joking, aren't you? Mairead Jun 2012 #130
So what profit is the owner due? hack89 Jun 2012 #133
Why should he be due profit rather than salary? Mairead Jun 2012 #136
He risked his capital for one. hack89 Jun 2012 #139
Okay, let's say that he started out a nobody Mairead Jun 2012 #146
Why not give people the choice to work for him? hack89 Jun 2012 #148
No reason why not -- as long as it's a real *choice* Mairead Jun 2012 #150
I made that choice and it was a real choice. hack89 Jun 2012 #154
I don't think you understand what "choice" means Mairead Jun 2012 #156
So if you had the power hack89 Jun 2012 #125
I'd limit business forms to (a) individual/immediate-family, and (b) cooperative/collective Mairead Jun 2012 #131
So how would you restrict individual initiative? hack89 Jun 2012 #134
I thought I understood your question, but I didn't. Could you ask it a different way? (nt) Mairead Jun 2012 #137
How are new businesses and products created? hack89 Jun 2012 #140
Someone (or several someones) decides to do it Mairead Jun 2012 #145
Good luck with that. hack89 Jun 2012 #149
From that response, I'm fairly sure you don't know what "human nature" is Mairead Jun 2012 #155
Is it free heathcare, or do the employees EARN it? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #95
Of course they earn it. hack89 Jun 2012 #124
Ever hear the phrase "total compensation"? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #158
I wouldn't use that term, but I'd seriously question whether he deserves his wealth Taitertots Jun 2012 #99
So if you had the power hack89 Jun 2012 #126
More progressive income taxation, significantly higher minimum wage... Taitertots Jun 2012 #159
Agree with most except taxing wealth and capital gains hack89 Jun 2012 #160
I'm guessing more than they would have made per hour if those jobs hadn't materialized 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #101
B/c if a tiny minority doesn't become wealthy while the masses struggle than no jobs will exist n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #102
It's unclear what your grief is with this person 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #103
My grief is that people are claiming he deserves to be wealthy... Taitertots Jun 2012 #161
I remember the documentary I saw on the exploitative labor practices of community laundromats 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #164
What is stopping me? Duh, egregious income and wealth inequality is stopping me Taitertots Jun 2012 #165
Uh huh, so the man is keeping you from your dream of starting a laundromat business? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #166
Economic inequality is keeping millions of people from realizing their dreams Taitertots Jun 2012 #167
And when has their not been economic inequality? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #168
There is excessive inequality today. In the past it was significantly lower Taitertots Jun 2012 #169
"In the past it was significantly lower" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #170
When those groups suffered economic inequality, they had almost no economic mobility Taitertots Jun 2012 #171
So in one post you claim inequality is at a historic high 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #172
In general income inequality was low, when you look at different groups you get different numbers Taitertots Jun 2012 #174
Thank goodness, someone with a brain. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #153
That is pseudo-economic non-sense Taitertots Jun 2012 #162
That's not wealthy- that's upper middle class. Marr Jun 2012 #97
Years of psychological manipulation is almost impossible to overcome. I was startled years ago by... freshwest Jun 2012 #33
That's a pretty astounding test you were given. calimary Jun 2012 #47
I'm glad you make the effort to out-think poll takers. We all need to Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #119
"pat on the head" jaysunb Jun 2012 #63
I would love to see that test. Marr Jun 2012 #85
We were tested almost 4 hours a day for a week. The tests included calculus, history, logic and a freshwest Jun 2012 #87
I would say that it has gotten much worse now... kentuck Jun 2012 #88
That was what they did with us, to break our solidarity with each other, in teams of 10 or less. freshwest Jun 2012 #108
My observation is that a huge majority of workers do not understand... kentuck Jun 2012 #109
Ugghh!! What a truly rotten corporate culture it is there Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #118
Nothing red light like PR, entertainment, chemical or pharma. It's no longer in a recognizable form. freshwest Jun 2012 #122
The thread is worth reading for this post. NT lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #157
Workers are the ones who work hard. The wealthy just skim the profits off. begin_within Jun 2012 #35
Seems like a good time for a quote by Lincoln... kentuck Jun 2012 #38
Getting rich is not necessarily a function of working hard. freethought Jun 2012 #39
Plus there is no company/organization without the people. CBHagman Jun 2012 #91
I love you. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jun 2012 #42
Class - TBF Jun 2012 #43
"I, like most of the American people, don't begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the Karmadillo Jun 2012 #44
Growing up, I remember how everyone respected government. Seems to me that secondwind Jun 2012 #48
The principle source of wealth in the U.S. is not work, but coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #49
Moving money around in the stock market is exhausting. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #55
I think we need to have a definition of what "rich" is Meiko Jun 2012 #56
I'd disagree. It's more important to know *how* the money was gained Mairead Jun 2012 #96
Worked hard trying to find more ways to steal from the 99%, nt crunch60 Jun 2012 #57
The one that gets me is OIL, Its theirs , they drilled it ,(they spilled it) they get the profits. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #58
You cannot be nice with these people. Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #64
So the richest 400 work harder, all put together, than the bottom 150 MILLION. woo me with science Jun 2012 #83
Workers also worked hard but deserve to have their income taken away to pay the wealthy. Kablooie Jun 2012 #86
that's a great rant. barbtries Jun 2012 #89
What does "wealthy" mean to her? ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #98
That's a very good point 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #104
Which is really the crux of the issue. What IS wealthy? mainer Jun 2012 #144
and does wealthy ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #147
Income is different than savings that isn't being touched. haele Jun 2012 #163
Amazing, isn't it? OnionPatch Jun 2012 #105
Agreed, this meme may have had its use in the old agrarian economy treestar Jun 2012 #106
If labor did not create the wealth... kentuck Jun 2012 #107
The wealthy make all their money from OUR work. Sirveri Jun 2012 #113
Networking at the country club is "hard work". Odin2005 Jun 2012 #115
Nobody deserves that much money. NOBODY. Hugabear Jun 2012 #120
Some rich people work hard while some don't Nikia Jun 2012 #121
The waelthy have raped and pillaged the poor to get rich (it's called greed) Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #127
Many wealthy people have worked hard, many have not Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #129
Paris Hilton works hard? GCP Jun 2012 #132
Working people work for money. kentuck Jun 2012 #135
Seems we give so much weight to imaginary constructs LanternWaste Jun 2012 #141
some did; probably a minute percentage. someone like michael moore, worked hard to get his cash. dionysus Jun 2012 #142
The Right tends to de-value any work that is not done behind a desk using a checkbook librechik Jun 2012 #151
The working poor DESERVE HEALTH CARE & EARNED ENTITLEMENTS when they grow too old & weak to work supraTruth Jun 2012 #152
We deserve health care and earned entitlements when we grow too old and too weak to work Herlong Jun 2012 #176
I agree completely Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #173
No clobberin' time Herlong Jun 2012 #175
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