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Cary

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78. Which part of "I am no Lincoln" do you not understand?

Reply to 4th law of robotics (Reply #75)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:16 PM

Jun 2012

The fact is I am a poster on an internet board. I am not the President of the United States of America and have no such aspirations. My opinion on an internet board is just that. It is nothing more and will never be anything more.

That said I am a student of history, especially this period, and I don't see how you accuse Lincoln of "dragging". Are you familiar with things like the Fugitive Slave Act, Bleeding Kansas, fireeaters, the Dred Scott decision, John Brown at Harper's Ferry, Frederick Douglass, the Sumner Brooks affair, ...

Lincoln didn't "drag" anything. Lincoln found himself in certain circumstances and he made certain decisions. I am not in those circumstances. Hell, I don't even have to accept your definition of treason here. In fact I don't.

I do not advocate a pre-emptive war against "conservatives". I'm not a neocon, thank you very much.

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"Conservatives" are traitors. [View all] Cary Jun 2012 OP

Yep. Treasonous fucks that should be denied a voice. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #1

What does that mean, exactly? n/t RZM Jun 2012 #4

so who should have a voice? People who agree with holy you? cali Jun 2012 #6

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #9

what does that even mean, sweetie? cali Jun 2012 #10

If you have something of substance to say, why not say it? Cary Jun 2012 #35

I don't want to speak for her, but Tushon Jun 2012 #122

But I never said "treasonous fucks that should be denied a voice." Cary Jun 2012 #130

but treason is a crime... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #136

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #141

once again...you can find no instance of my supporting conservatives ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #150

Pfeh. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #172

excellent response...it's all you have. nt ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #179

That's all I have for you. Cary Jun 2012 #180

tut tut, you burst their bubble... dionysus Jun 2012 #189

These are simple questions RZM Jun 2012 #13

+100! Zalatix Jun 2012 #29

lol. cali Jun 2012 #32

You look silly sitting there laughing. Zalatix Jun 2012 #34

not as silly as you look, sweetums cali Jun 2012 #37

Translation: Cary Jun 2012 #39

uh no, dear. You might note that Zalitex (that does sound like some new anti-depressant) cali Jun 2012 #46

I have asked you serious questions. Cary Jun 2012 #52

uh, you've asked me not a single question, dear. not one. cali Jun 2012 #61

Now that you've accused me of lying, look at post #35. Cary Jun 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #69

"Disgusting, misleading, offensive and dim. Pathetic, really." Cary Jun 2012 #73

Excellent! underseasurveyor Jun 2012 #118

And anyone who disagrees with her. Zalatix Jun 2012 #77

Her attitude is unfortunate. Cary Jun 2012 #79

I'm not your sweetums, thanks very much. Zalatix Jun 2012 #81

Let's pick one of their arguments--austerity Cary Jun 2012 #38

You were confusing me until I got to this post. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #88

I have said a million times that I am referring to "conservatives", not conservatives Cary Jun 2012 #131

Well, that clears it all up, doesn't it. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #139

You give yourself way too much credit. Cary Jun 2012 #142

You don't want the company? n/t A Simple Game Jun 2012 #162

treasonous bastards should get the penalty deserved 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #20

I suggest this most appropriate death penalty for Conservatives Zalatix Jun 2012 #28

we'll have to decide what island to sacrifice. 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #66

Since they want to be king, I say we give them a crown... like in Game of Thrones. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #214

While I agree about the bad things "conservatives" do I have to strongly condemn this idea Cary Jun 2012 #132

those bad things have destroyed this country 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #174

Treason in the sense that they have betrayed WE, THE PEOPLE, yes... Cary Jun 2012 #175

I disagree. Free Market, Anti-Woman Conservatives should be allowed a voice. Zalatix Jun 2012 #27

Maher went there last night: called their actions treason. bbgrunt Jun 2012 #2

good. About time someone calls it what it is. n/t 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #67

Treason is a very harsh term Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #3

Yes, words matter. Cary Jun 2012 #7

Well, Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #56

I appreciate your point of view and call to civility Cary Jun 2012 #76

actually oldhippydude Jun 2012 #23

treason is a harsh word. It's exactly correct too. 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #68

"Then the word will lose meaning." Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #71

Except there is no one here who misunderstands Cary Jun 2012 #80

You are entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #126

I understand but I think the disagreement here is a little different than you suggest Cary Jun 2012 #134

The disagreement is over the use of the terminology Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #145

Sherman you have made your point and unlike some others here you are not trolling Cary Jun 2012 #149

When they raise an army in rebellion against the government, then I'll call them traitors Rittermeister Jun 2012 #160

Oh bullshit. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #115

I find your response Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #125

What they are doing is harsh. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #114

I'm so tired of this overuse of the word traitor. cali Jun 2012 #5

I would not claim that my post rises to the level of a graduate thesis. Cary Jun 2012 #8

actually, it falls rather neatly into the purview of "grandiose proclamation". cali Jun 2012 #11

you post is exactly ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #21

Except that I gave reasons. Cary Jun 2012 #36

except the crap you posted is not treason ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #58

So you're saying that declaring my reasons to be "crap" is an argument? Cary Jun 2012 #60

facts are easy ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #62

Your "reasons" do not square with the classic definition of treason. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #94

Look up the definition. Cary Jun 2012 #97

i found this to be quite apropos... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #100

Except, once again, I posted my reasons Cary Jun 2012 #101

i object to your language and the inappropriate use of the term ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #103

Oh yeah, exactly the same... Cary Jun 2012 #106

it is only false because you believe it is ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #108

You did not turn my words. Cary Jun 2012 #111

i didn't need to turn your words ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #128

That's rich. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #117

Cary makes a point well ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #129

Let's put this in perspective... Cary Jun 2012 #133

Betrayers, Judases, saboteurs, backstabbers, Iagos... gulliver Jun 2012 #30

Okay but I wasn't trying to be technical or legalistic Cary Jun 2012 #45

Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #70

You had me libodem Jun 2012 #12

Republicans are just misguided and emotion-dominated. gulliver Jun 2012 #14

I disagree; conservatives are not traitors. baldguy Jun 2012 #15

Wish I could rec this post, you nailed it. bluesbassman Jun 2012 #33

Good post but notice I used "conservatives" in quotes Cary Jun 2012 #43

Finally a sane voice and one that understands the political realities. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #90

Except that I have called for no one's death. Cary Jun 2012 #104

look up the penalty for treason against the United States... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #107

Nice straw man Cary Jun 2012 #109

yeah...a lawyer making specious arguments on a discussion board ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #137

Now I see, you meant "treason" when you said treason. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #140

That pesky little "aid and comfort to the enemy" belies your "it must be calling for death" meme nt LaydeeBug Jun 2012 #152

+++1,000,000 nanabugg Jun 2012 #92

+ a gazillion. chervilant Jun 2012 #161

Then the SELF PROCLAIMED conservatives are commiting treason, there...is that a better way uponit7771 Jun 2012 #176

I consider anyone who disagrees with me a traitor. hughee99 Jun 2012 #178

If you do everything in your power to make America fail sorefeet Jun 2012 #16

this is absolutely the same steaming heap of dog shit that the wingnuts cali Jun 2012 #18

So that's your only justification here? Cary Jun 2012 #47

Back in WW2 we fought the Fascists and we thought we destroyed them. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #17

they are quickly becoming the most confused ideology iamthebandfanman Jun 2012 #19

I don't think they're confused. Cary Jun 2012 #48

I think a lot of people... greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #22

There are two kinds of destructive conservatives... I hate liars Jun 2012 #24

Can you throw in "ilk", "sociopath", "vile" and maybe an awkward contraction or two? Iggo Jun 2012 #25

Iggo, the subject interests me. Cary Jun 2012 #49

It's the hyperbole, sir. Iggo Jun 2012 #83

Actually I think you're missing the point. Cary Jun 2012 #112

No. You're missing my point. Iggo Jun 2012 #148

Is censorship a liberal thing? I doubt it. Gregorian Jun 2012 #26

Traitors? quaker bill Jun 2012 #31

As has been said many times xfundy Jun 2012 #40

.... Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #41

And "multi-national corporations" jonthebru Jun 2012 #42

Clearly. Can you explain to me why some good liberals are falling all over themselves to defend Cary Jun 2012 #98

Their ilk were the Tories during the American Revolution. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #44

But why stop there? Cary Jun 2012 #50

I agree. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #54

But let's try their counter-argument Cary Jun 2012 #57

It's also bolstered by sheer hate. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #63

Clearly the Ayn Rand philosophy offers the perfect cover for hate. Cary Jun 2012 #65

Calling people traitors is a very dangerous thing to do, I know because (R)s said I was one just1voice Jun 2012 #51

I understand, but do you see that you may be contradicting yourself? Cary Jun 2012 #53

Go ahead and argue with yourself just1voice Jun 2012 #55

You're skipping at least one step here. Cary Jun 2012 #59

If you truly believe that then you must support using any means to stop them 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #72

Let's examine all of the steps that you skip over for no good reason. Cary Jun 2012 #74

Your lincoln analogy makes no sense 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #75

Which part of "I am no Lincoln" do you not understand? Cary Jun 2012 #78

Weird. Now you're trying to argue that Lincoln wasn't a powerful leader during the Civil War 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #85

Deflecting; perfect word in this circumstance. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #89

"But if someone else were to ... you'd be ok with it." Cary Jun 2012 #93

Then you tolerate traitors within your nation 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #151

Consider this: a far rightwing blog 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #153

No, IMO OP means that they will use any means to get what they want treestar Jun 2012 #155

It's funny the way you phrased that 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #157

I don't think anyone is advocating any death camps treestar Jun 2012 #158

Flip this around 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #159

Come on, people. This entire thread is embarrassing. Quantess Jun 2012 #82

Conservative voters believe they should pay less taxes and start more wars, that's just crazy. Herlong Jun 2012 #84

Constitutional treason is defined as giving aid and comfort to an enemy. Special Prosciuto Jun 2012 #86

But this isn't a court and I am not accusing them of a crime, per se. Cary Jun 2012 #96

I think they would rather the whole ship sink, than zentrum Jun 2012 #87

Also, Conservatives are not traitors Herlong Jun 2012 #91

So then you're prepared to offer a redeeming quality of their ideology? Cary Jun 2012 #95

On a dare, yes. Herlong Jun 2012 #99

I have interacted with radical, extreme "conservatives" Cary Jun 2012 #102

Not to sound too sacrosanct Herlong Jun 2012 #105

I am betting I have been in a few places with hard core conservatives nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #116

I doubt it. Cary Jun 2012 #181

You doubt it... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #184

Americans in 1859... Cary Jun 2012 #185

A better grasp of history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #187

Education is a wonderful thing. Cary Jun 2012 #191

Even MORE hysterical nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #193

Ah, but I am a long standing member here. Cary Jun 2012 #194

a little over a month is longstanding??? ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #205

Read post 206 and weep. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #207

And Thom Hartmann too has an education, and right now he is doing a whole segment Cary Jun 2012 #195

You must listen to a different show nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #199

I am listening to today's show on WCPT Cary Jun 2012 #200

You confuse not falling into the mentality of the other nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #201

No confusion. Cary Jun 2012 #202

Well if you are that confused nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #208

Promise? n/t Cary Jun 2012 #210

as much as you and I have disagreed ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #203

That is the date of my reinstatement. Cary Jun 2012 #206

wow...had to be reinstated...nice ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2012 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2012 #217

Words have meanings nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #110

Yes they are. And apparently they're going to ruin the country and the world Zoeisright Jun 2012 #113

Yup. We're too busy wringing our hands about calling them traitors. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #119

Ah, the irony. Cary Jun 2012 #146

Agreed. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #156

I disagree strongly with calling people traitors The Second Stone Jun 2012 #120

Thankfully, that's only your opinion - lynne Jun 2012 #121

"you are them" ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #127

Then we agree that your apologetics for "conservatives" are a waste of time Cary Jun 2012 #135

ah...from name calling to 'shaming' me ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #138

You have a lot of issues. Cary Jun 2012 #143

now I need professional help? your argument seems to have devolved ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #154

You aren't worth the effort. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #177

I appreciate the effort you put into it hfojvt Jun 2012 #164

All American citizens are traitors and should be shot on sight jeanV Jun 2012 #123

. Iggo Jun 2012 #170

Stupid thread of the week. The OP has crafted a false dilemma. Flatulo Jun 2012 #124

We are dealing with traitors...WHO THINK THEY'RE PATRIOTIC! nt LaydeeBug Jun 2012 #144

Traitors papa3times Jun 2012 #147

"liberals" are morons and hypocrites and hateful hfojvt Jun 2012 #163

I wish I could agree with you. Cary Jun 2012 #211

Bill Maher uses the t-word in referring to Congressional Republicans. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #165

Ayn Rand was libertarian, not conservative or Rebublican. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #166

Oh please Cary Jun 2012 #167

Feudalism aka American Capitalism amerciti001 Jun 2012 #168

You get it! Cary Jun 2012 #171

Their goal is to make Obama a one B Calm Jun 2012 #169

Certainly the politicians had that goal and they were willing to put their interests above Cary Jun 2012 #173

They are the SAME GROUP who were The Tories during the Revolutionary War librechik Jun 2012 #182

Yep. Cary Jun 2012 #186

This OP is a prime example of why we need to have unrec back. NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #183

What about Conservative Democrats such as Ben Nelson? Are they traitors too ? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #188

What do you think? Cary Jun 2012 #190

So you should have titled your post "The extreme, radical right are traitors" Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #197

Why? Cary Jun 2012 #198

Because when you responded to me you immediately backtracked from "conservatives" to Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #204

I have been using the term "conservatives" for at least 5 years. Cary Jun 2012 #209

Opening words of Thom Hartmann right now... Cary Jun 2012 #192

What do you do when a group of Republicans meet in order to conspire ... Cary Jun 2012 #196

Unrec. nt NCTraveler Jun 2012 #213

Rec B Calm Jun 2012 #215

semantics ThomasP Jun 2012 #216