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Bluenorthwest

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102. I think yours are concerns only for those who favor one of those religions, those of us who think
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

poorly of both faiths do not see the bigotry in one as mitigation of bigotry in the other. When there are 50 dead, 'Johnny did it too' is a creepy excuse to offer.

It's all about the oil, Cali. roamer65 Jun 2016 #1
"Is there anything currently analogous within any other major religion? No" ... I disagree factually uponit7771 Jun 2016 #2
I'm sorry, but your post makes very little sense to me. cali Jun 2016 #10
1. The KKK (you'll further qualify), 2. India VHP oppression of other religions... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17
that's an absurd comparison. Today's KKK is composed of a few hundred people cali Jun 2016 #25
You said "today's KKK" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36
Oh for ffs, the OP makes it crystal clear that I'm talking about the current world cali Jun 2016 #48
"Current World" meaning as of 10 days 100 years ... what? Come on Cali go ahead and qualify uponit7771 Jun 2016 #53
current as in the past 20 years or so cali Jun 2016 #58
I verily disagree with other religions not having an equally destructive sects culturally or ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #63
you are entitled to your own opinions for sure. But not your own facts. cali Jun 2016 #79
Well, the troubles in northern Ireland are certainly within living memory thucythucy Jun 2016 #103
20 or so years and I'd list the LRA, Tamil Tigers, 969 Movement, various Hindu nationalist groups Chathamization Jun 2016 #132
Ive never been oppressed by ISIS either. So I guess they are just not a problem. Akicita Jun 2016 #78
extrapolate Android3.14 Jun 2016 #68
Thx, I'll just use single out uponit7771 Jun 2016 #69
I can't think of any group as powerful and organized, but I do think frazzled Jun 2016 #56
bombings and killing at women's health clinics. In the mind of those who committed such acts still_one Jun 2016 #65
Exactly..... paleotn Jun 2016 #81
by action still_one Jun 2016 #84
Islam has a long way to go before it catches up with snot Jun 2016 #3
Over all of history?? You sure about that? boston bean Jun 2016 #6
Islam didn't come about until about 600 - 700 years after the beginnings of Christianity. BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #11
Per multiple sources via the google, yes, by a YUGE margin, so to speak. snot Jun 2016 #114
Taking a swipe at Christians and cops to defend Islamic extremism romanic Jun 2016 #12
I stated facts and that I'd like to know more before rushing to conclusions. snot Jun 2016 #116
The past is not always past, but neither is it always applicable cali Jun 2016 #13
see, I said you'd qualify to narrow the scope... the past to some is 70 years ago when masses amount uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18
Well, "snot," as a Christian whose dad was a cop... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #29
Seriously?! It's the cops fault this guy killed so many? Wtf? Quackers Jun 2016 #46
I strongly agree with Cali's post... humbled_opinion Jun 2016 #57
Not a thousand years ago, within living memory Fumesucker Jun 2016 #101
Who gives a shit? It's not a fucking race. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #80
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #126
People, all I said is I'd like to hear the evidence before rushing to judgment. snot Jun 2016 #115
This vermin who massacred 49 LGBTQ and their friends... King_David Jun 2016 #133
"Officers may have shot Orlando club patrons" snot Jun 2016 #117
The right needs to wake up about guns. The left needs to wake up about Islam. cigsandcoffee Jun 2016 #4
What makes you think this has anything to do with islam? L. Coyote Jun 2016 #8
Maybe because the gunman was influenced by ISIS and its twisted romanic Jun 2016 #14
You didn't say twisted Islamic views you said Islam, Chrisitians "twist" views to also uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20
I said romanic Jun 2016 #39
You're right, the OP response said it and the point still stands... twisted Islamic views isn't what uponit7771 Jun 2016 #47
The people doing the killings say it's about Islam. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #62
Christians do the same and in more volume in America (link) uponit7771 Jun 2016 #71
I don't understand what Christian violence has ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #72
Cause they say its about Islam doesn't make it so uponit7771 Jun 2016 #73
How do you know their motivation? ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #75
You are partially wrong on that pediatricmedic Jun 2016 #85
You don't understand the difference between Christianity and Islam elljay Jun 2016 #90
Do most Christians know this? OneGrassRoot Jun 2016 #122
Don't know what most Christians think elljay Jun 2016 #124
Mohammed created Islam, and he is the example of how a Muslim should live. braddy Jun 2016 #5
ISIS wouldn't exist lancer78 Jun 2016 #7
9-11 and other attacks happened before w went into Iraq. this guy was raised in the US JI7 Jun 2016 #9
It's copycat. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #35
copycat of what ? the guy was a human failure .beat his wife and hated gays JI7 Jun 2016 #51
I addressed the issue of western and particularly U.S. actions cali Jun 2016 #15
Good OP elljay Jun 2016 #92
ISIS long predates the invasion of Iraq, actually. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #24
Islam is a religion struggling with modernity... Imajika Jun 2016 #16
Absolutely. well written and thoughtful response. Thanks. cali Jun 2016 #26
Great post. romanic Jun 2016 #41
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #94
you are correct, but in the meantime, these nutbags need to be identified and resisted. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #97
Amazing and succinct post Prism Jun 2016 #104
Thoughtful post. Thanks for opening this up for discussion Arazi Jun 2016 #21
As long as we recognize that the vast majority of Muslims are good people, just like the Japanese- pampango Jun 2016 #22
I thought I made that point pretty clearly in the OP cali Jun 2016 #28
You did. Just wanted to add my emphasis. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #74
Violent warped individuals will latch onto anything jberryhill Jun 2016 #23
Not at all if you include it into the ever growing group of fanatical fundamentalists Rex Jun 2016 #27
gunz pfah DustyJoe Jun 2016 #32
It is the tools used to kill, it is part of a culture of death that is worshiped at the trigger Rex Jun 2016 #38
It's the mindset of the culture that makes it easy.... chknltl Jun 2016 #87
wow DustyJoe Jun 2016 #30
nonsense is nonsense. really can't make heads or tails of your post cali Jun 2016 #33
bad placement DustyJoe Jun 2016 #44
thank you for clarifying that cali Jun 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jun 2016 #40
No need to over react kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #31
I can't help but wonder when I read some responses whether folks actually cali Jun 2016 #34
No they did not, it almost seems like an automatic defensive posture. Rex Jun 2016 #45
People don't usually like to give the other side of a political debate any credence The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #37
Only religious privilege makes it "really hard"... MellowDem Jun 2016 #42
brilliant short analysis AntiBank Jun 2016 #89
Definitely alarimer Jun 2016 #100
"They are excusing the problem to preserve their own power and privilege." trotsky Jun 2016 #118
Thoughtful of you to spell out so clearly what turns criticism of religion into bigotry. rug Jun 2016 #120
I can't think of one other belief system.... MellowDem Jun 2016 #125
Then you must not have read Mein Kampf. rug Jun 2016 #127
Fascists were calling others bigots? MellowDem Jun 2016 #130
Whenever you say EVERYONE (caps yours), you'd better be ready to own what follows. rug Jun 2016 #131
No it's not... MellowDem Jun 2016 #135
I'll give you a rec, Cali. Quackers Jun 2016 #43
thank you. I'm not surprised. People bristle when you try to discuss this rationally cali Jun 2016 #50
If it is terrorism, it is NOT Islamic. Islam is a religion, not a terror group. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #52
If it is terrorism, it is NOT Christian. Christianity is a religion, not a terror group. Dreamer Tatum Jun 2016 #55
Calling it that plays into the hands... YvonneCa Jun 2016 #70
really? that's YOUR definition of religion, but religion and violence are not mutually exclusive TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #98
Kick and rec Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #54
The Kingdom has been working at radicalizing the religion far longer than USA policy... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #59
K&R...thanks for a thoughtful, well-written post, cali Glorfindel Jun 2016 #60
Thank you get the red out Jun 2016 #61
The only point I will make following the OPs reasoning that while not completely parallel the still_one Jun 2016 #64
As a child (a white, native born American), I lived in Beirut, Lebanon drmeow Jun 2016 #66
It's especially hard from a country founded on genocide, and built by stealing jtuck004 Jun 2016 #67
By way of historic fact, the slave trade was established in Africa by Arabic Muslims many many Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #91
What?? Bringing actual historical fact into this discussion? How dare you? cali Jun 2016 #123
Is there anything currently analogous within any other major religion? Stonepounder Jun 2016 #76
I think there is an additional factor. DCBob Jun 2016 #77
No offense Bob but there are many, many Muslim dominate nations that conform to the hateful Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #107
I just post this article when people decide being afraid of Muslims is the thing to do. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #82
then you posted it in the wrong fucking place, friend. cali Jun 2016 #83
Well, I guess it's really, really hard to talk about right wing militia groups.. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #86
He was mentioned in the article I linked. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #93
There is a reason kacekwl Jun 2016 #88
Abandoning my lurking. plimsoll Jun 2016 #95
I think yours are concerns only for those who favor one of those religions, those of us who think Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #102
^^^This^^^ ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #109
Correct, but not my point exactly. plimsoll Jun 2016 #112
It's also fairly disingenuous to limit the ideology to religions and limit the time scope to 20years Chathamization Jun 2016 #134
you are correct, it is difficult, but the truth should be spoken anyway. it does appear that islam TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #96
What about radical democratic terrorism? Isn't that the religion with the highest proportion? L. Coyote Jun 2016 #99
success enid602 Jun 2016 #105
Word salad. Sound and fury signifying nothing. lol. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #106
What's word salad? If you are referring to my op, kindly point out how cali Jun 2016 #108
Its a bunch of words purporting to justify something BootinUp Jun 2016 #110
It justifies nothing. cali Jun 2016 #111
I wouldn't say it's hard, but it's hard for liberals/progressives, for multiple reasons: MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #113
Why wasn't Gandhi a terrorist? trotsky Jun 2016 #119
K&R for great discussion. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2016 #121
I think talking about it would be easier if there wasn't another side spouting nonsense ck4829 Jun 2016 #128
Case in point... ck4829 Jun 2016 #129
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