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jberryhill

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78. There are many such ideologies - the common thread is hating gay people
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016


Should we be going after the hate, or the "ideology":

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.668796

6 Stabbed at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade by ultra-Orthodox Jewish Assailant

As a non-participant in various "ideologies", please tell me the utility of knowing which of many species of gay-hating "ideology" may or may not have been involved.


Indeed Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1
It's about his goals... He had a rage issue and was upset at gays kissing. JudyM Jun 2016 #4
"and was upset at gays kissing." oberliner Jun 2016 #10
His father suggested that's what his motivation was. JudyM Jun 2016 #42
Perhaps his father is lying? oberliner Jun 2016 #43
Agree: a bit of both. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #28
A lot of both 6chars Jun 2016 #31
Yes. By defining what group he is from will demonize that group. tecelote Jun 2016 #2
He was a Muslim. There's no need to "demonize." David__77 Jun 2016 #80
it might stop future deaths if we understood and dealth with the motivation patsimp Jun 2016 #83
Right, and promote education about it and a more peaceful society. JudyM Jun 2016 #93
Hopefully. patsimp Jun 2016 #95
what did they call the attack on the abortion provider? nt ellenrr Jun 2016 #3
Should have been called what it was Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #7
Agree 100% nt deathrind Jun 2016 #27
when was the last attack on the abortion providers? patsimp Jun 2016 #84
Yeah FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #5
Why did he want gay people to die? oberliner Jun 2016 #11
I have no idea FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #16
Maybe he followed an ideology that preached homophobia? oberliner Jun 2016 #23
Yeah youre right FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #36
Huh? oberliner Jun 2016 #41
Nothing like dog whistles FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #47
Dog whistles? oberliner Jun 2016 #48
Ughh FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #55
OK oberliner Jun 2016 #60
Well in this case it was a Gay hating Islamic radical vermin scum King_David Jun 2016 #77
some background here 6chars Jun 2016 #38
There are many such ideologies - the common thread is hating gay people jberryhill Jun 2016 #78
And that kind of hate is not tolerated in Israeli or Jewish culture King_David Jun 2016 #85
So? That person clearly subscribed to an ideology in which hate is fine jberryhill Jun 2016 #98
Exactly. JudyM Jun 2016 #33
Well he wanted Disney but too many security challenges yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #97
They are not mutually exclusive. It seems like both. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #6
ISIS "culture" condones hatred and violence against LGBT but but he wasn't religious. JudyM Jun 2016 #8
I believe his hatred of LGBT was rooted in extremist beliefs. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #9
The reports on CNN are that he was *not* raised in a religious home. JudyM Jun 2016 #35
One does not have to be 'religious' to be an extremist. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #39
Ok, extremist, then. JudyM Jun 2016 #44
CNN is reporting he regularly attended mosque 3-4 times per week. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #65
Yes, this is coming out now. First reports were the opposite, which is what my post was directed JudyM Jun 2016 #70
How do you know that he wasn't religious? oberliner Jun 2016 #12
Reports that his lifestyle was not religious... "Chasing women," etc., that his family isn't JudyM Jun 2016 #22
And you are confident about the veracity of these "reports" ? oberliner Jun 2016 #24
Obvsly only based on what has been reported. Just how I'm putting it together. The loaded JudyM Jun 2016 #58
Understood oberliner Jun 2016 #62
Because the religious are never hypocrites who do as they wish while judging others for doing the Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #51
Isn't terrorism in itself Texasgal Jun 2016 #13
Definition of hate crime: JudyM Jun 2016 #19
So, are these not things that terrorism Texasgal Jun 2016 #25
It was both. alarimer Jun 2016 #14
Agree 100%. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #34
What I know is that so far every dead person is Hispanic malaise Jun 2016 #15
I assume the former is because it was Latin Night MadBadger Jun 2016 #21
President Obama and HRC have called it both mcar Jun 2016 #17
It is clearly a hate crime. That should be the lead. JudyM Jun 2016 #26
He's been on FBI watch list for being an ISIS sympathizer for several years. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #32
That could as well be about hatred and violence. Reports are that he was not a practicing Muslim. JudyM Jun 2016 #40
occam's razor 6chars Jun 2016 #50
Hate crimes are terrorist attacks. kysrsoze Jun 2016 #18
that's exactly what they are. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #73
If he pledged allegiance to ISIS, how can you say he's not particularly religious? MadBadger Jun 2016 #20
All the other data points/evidence they have on him. If you were going to go out and kill JudyM Jun 2016 #30
The language police will weigh in soon Cayenne Jun 2016 #29
Sadly, it is both Marrah_G Jun 2016 #37
IMO there really is no difference. deathrind Jun 2016 #45
We should call homophobic violence: homophobic violence. JudyM Jun 2016 #46
Well the gunman meant to cause terror and it was a hate crime. Rex Jun 2016 #49
The definition is a planned attack to achieve ideological, religious, etc goals, not just JudyM Jun 2016 #52
Isn't that exactly what the gunman did? Planned attack. Check. Achieve ideological goal Rex Jun 2016 #53
ISIS does have some goals it uses terror like this for. 6chars Jun 2016 #57
It downplays the horror of homophobia. And is more convenient for conservatives and the MSM. JudyM Jun 2016 #59
Ah 6chars Jun 2016 #69
Yes, the big discussion is about finding his terrorist roots, as opposed to his homophobic roots. JudyM Jun 2016 #74
Would the definition be important in determinig who gets to lead the investigatio? annavictorious Jun 2016 #54
It is both still_one Jun 2016 #56
It was a Muslim terror attack and for the group ISIS, what is confusing about that? braddy Jun 2016 #61
Most don't see ISIS as an enemy and Christians are the real enemy. ileus Jun 2016 #79
It's both a terrorist attack and a hate crime. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #63
JudyM, calling it only a terror attack kinda erases the group of people that were terrorized justiceischeap Jun 2016 #64
Wonderful reply! Rex Jun 2016 #66
It's true, the OP doesn't seem to grok there are all types of terrorism justiceischeap Jun 2016 #67
Plus all the discussion in the press is about finding his terrorist roots. Nothing about the roots JudyM Jun 2016 #75
Because the only people that really care about the issue justiceischeap Jun 2016 #88
Yes, most people do not care about the LGBT community, even if they feel we should have rights, JudyM Jun 2016 #91
Yes, completely agree. You said it well. JudyM Jun 2016 #71
The media and the political establishment are looking for terrorism. hay rick Jun 2016 #68
Yes, it doesn't fit and also amplification of the terrorist narrative. But he was foremost a bigot. JudyM Jun 2016 #72
Foremost a bigot and not foremost what? David__77 Jun 2016 #82
As between Islamic terrorist and bigot. That was the context. He is certainly also a killer. JudyM Jun 2016 #87
Thank you. I understand. David__77 Jun 2016 #90
IMO it's in fact a *critically important* distinction, for reasons expounded above by others as well JudyM Jun 2016 #92
Looking for terrorism? David__77 Jun 2016 #81
Please read the rest of the thread for development of the idea, it's more layered than what's in JudyM Jun 2016 #89
There's no reason it can't be both. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #76
There is no difference between a hate crime and a terror attack. w4rma Jun 2016 #86
It is more subtle. Explained in other DUers' comments above. JudyM Jun 2016 #94
President called it a terror attack. Good enough for me. I trust him to know yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #96
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